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Author:  thunderbolta [ Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:41 am ]
Post subject:  Upkeep inbalance
Looking at my ship I noticed something:

Upkeep 7.5m.
Modules:
Dominion Cannonx4 - 20k total upkeep.
Singularity Launcher x2 - 6.6m total upkeep.
MicroWarp Nacelles x 2 - 328k total upkeep.
Merged Nanospheres x4 - 296k total upkeep.
Drannik PowerCore - 25k total upkeep.
AntiMatter Reactor 4 x4- 196.5k total upkeep.
Father - 0.5k total upkeep.
ExoTempTranslarer x3- 7.5k total upkeep.
Stryll Hunt Sensor x2 - 20k total upkeep.
Stryll Transponder x2 - 5k total upkeep.
EM Absorbant Panels - 0.113k total upkeep.

So if I remove my weapons my upkeep is less than 1m. Seems rather imbalanced.

Perhaps make cannons cheaper and other modules more expensive. Don't penalize the PvPers.
Author:  Shadow0utlaw [ Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Upkeep inbalance
I find it fair, its understandable as weapons would require the most looking after.
not only that, one of the first things people can see when pvping is weapons (depending on the cloak level). if people wanted to prevent being attacked, they would just equiped all there cannons when they log off.
Weapons are expensive for a reason. its somthing you try and keep a set amount of, or pay the forfit to max them out in PVPing or NPCing, but then set them back. Or am i the only one that does this?
Author:  Commonwealth <TK> [ Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Upkeep inbalance
7.5 Mill.. i wish i had that kinda upkeep, my upkeep is 218.1 Mill (Rank 215), some have up to 5 Billion upkeep...
Author:  FuriousRage [ Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Upkeep inbalance
Commonwealth <TK> wrote:
7.5 Mill.. i wish i had that kinda upkeep, my upkeep is 218.1 Mill (Rank 215), some have up to 5 Billion upkeep...


I got 4.5B upkeep thanks to builder profession.. else i would have 9B :>
Author:  sgtlynch [ Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Upkeep inbalance
Commonwealth <TK> wrote:
7.5 Mill.. i wish i had that kinda upkeep, my upkeep is 218.1 Mill (Rank 215), some have up to 5 Billion upkeep...

218.1M?!?!?! at rank 215??? wth? each one of my reactors is that much!
and i would say if anything lower the upkeep of energy not weapons, but i like it the way it is, makes you work for your mods.
Author:  thunderbolta [ Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Upkeep inbalance
Point is, my weapons provide around 6/7 of my upkeep, always has. I'm sure most people have a similar spread on upkeep.

Shadow0utlaw wrote:
I find it fair, its understandable as weapons would require the most looking after.
not only that, one of the first things people can see when pvping is weapons (depending on the cloak level). if people wanted to prevent being attacked, they would just equiped all there cannons when they log off.
Weapons are expensive for a reason. its somthing you try and keep a set amount of, or pay the forfit to max them out in PVPing or NPCing, but then set them back. Or am i the only one that does this?


You realise that upkeep is 5% of the value of the module? Unless you spend well over a fortnight between equipping them then you don't get any use out of doing that. You still pay upkeep for uninstalled modules.

Commonwealth <TK> wrote:
7.5 Mill.. i wish i had that kinda upkeep, my upkeep is 218.1 Mill (Rank 215), some have up to 5 Billion upkeep...


I am rank 94, upkeep curves.

sgtlynch wrote:
Commonwealth <TK> wrote:
7.5 Mill.. i wish i had that kinda upkeep, my upkeep is 218.1 Mill (Rank 215), some have up to 5 Billion upkeep...

218.1M?!?!?! at rank 215??? wth? each one of my reactors is that much!
and i would say if anything lower the upkeep of energy not weapons, but i like it the way it is, makes you work for your mods.


What reactors do you use? :o
Author:  Commonwealth <TK> [ Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Upkeep inbalance
Intra D Colliders and Wormhole Relays. I have Light Singularity Launchers (same level as you)
Author:  Shadow0utlaw [ Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Upkeep inbalance
thunderbolta wrote:
You realise that upkeep is 5% of the value of the module? Unless you spend well over a fortnight between equipping them then you don't get any use out of doing that. You still pay upkeep for uninstalled modules.

Yes i do realise it. Also i didnt mean uninstalled. i mean bought just for the moment and then sold after there use has been forfilled.
Author:  thunderbolta [ Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Upkeep inbalance
Shadow0utlaw wrote:
thunderbolta wrote:
You realise that upkeep is 5% of the value of the module? Unless you spend well over a fortnight between equipping them then you don't get any use out of doing that. You still pay upkeep for uninstalled modules.

Yes i do realise it. Also i didnt mean uninstalled. i mean bought just for the moment and then sold after there use has been forfilled.


Do you really not use them often enough to make use out of this? 5% a day, or pay 50% each time you want to use them.
I guess if you use them less than once every 10 days this works.
Author:  Shadow0utlaw [ Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Upkeep inbalance
thunderbolta wrote:
Shadow0utlaw wrote:
thunderbolta wrote:
You realise that upkeep is 5% of the value of the module? Unless you spend well over a fortnight between equipping them then you don't get any use out of doing that. You still pay upkeep for uninstalled modules.

Yes i do realise it. Also i didnt mean uninstalled. i mean bought just for the moment and then sold after there use has been forfilled.


Do you really not use them often enough to make use out of this? 5% a day, or pay 50% each time you want to use them.
I guess if you use them less than once every 10 days this works.


I dont npc for ages. iv stoped pvping (got all the badges i need). i give myself once a month to heavyly npc. when fighting elites, what i have on is usually good enough anyway.
Author:  sgtlynch [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Upkeep inbalance
edit nvm
Author:  sgtlynch [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Upkeep inbalance
sgtlynch wrote:
Commonwealth <TK> wrote:
7.5 Mill.. i wish i had that kinda upkeep, my upkeep is 218.1 Mill (Rank 215), some have up to 5 Billion upkeep...

218.1M?!?!?! at rank 215??? wth? each one of my reactors is that much!
and i would say if anything lower the upkeep of energy not weapons, but i like it the way it is, makes you work for your mods.


What reactors do you use? :o[/quote]
i use supernova mark IV.

Commonwealth <TK> wrote:
Intra D Colliders and Wormhole Relays. I have Light Singularity Launchers (same level as you)

are you seriously telling me that you are rank 215 and your using singularities?
Author:  Commonwealth <TK> [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Upkeep inbalance
sgtlynch wrote:
Commonwealth <TK> wrote:
Intra D Colliders and Wormhole Relays. I have Light Singularity Launchers (same level as you)

are you seriously telling me that you are rank 215 and your using singularities?


Yah :mrgreen: , i plan to get :
- Fermionic Armor
- Supernovas Mark IV + Hyperchannels
- Level 12 Facillities
- Obviation Barriers

By the time i finish the above, i expect to have 7,000- 10,000 RP an hour, i can then stomp the following trees below

- Heavy Thetacrons (Will skip 3 Tiers.)
- Sycopatated Armor
- Trans-temporal Nacelles
- Dimensional Logistics
Author:  Drejen [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Upkeep inbalance
yeah cannons should be cheaper (at least 0.7 of current upkeep)

every player in the game can get eight cannons and only a maximum of 2 or 3 of everything else (not counting special modules))

I'm currently rank 114 and i've only got 3 light antiproton cannons, I might be a builder but the upkep is kind of becoming a pain

my goal is eight heavy antiproton cannons and taltehrian race as well as mark 4 colliders, even if the upkeep is reduced by 5% of weapons, people will be able to breathe a bit easier
Author:  LycnhBen [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Upkeep inbalance
it fine the way it is.
my upkeep is 511 mill but its understandable and i can afford it at this point,
it's balanced so you cant constantly change you have to think what to do and if its worth changing
Author:  235drew [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Upkeep inbalance
I have a 441 million upkeep (not a builder) and im doing quite fine
Author:  QCubed [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Upkeep inbalance
I have 8 Heavy Quasi Chaotic Blasters Equiped.

Not only did i have to save up 164 Bn Cr. I also needed to beg borrow and steal (Actually mainly BUY) 38,400 Kurenite! (Approximately 58 Bn Cr.)

I saved up to do that while i had about 3.5 Bn Cr. per day upkeep (I didn't upgrade past Heavy null rays until I got the Heavy Quasi Chaotics)

My upkeep would be 8.2 Bn just for my 8 Heavy Quasi Chaotics, plus other modules etc, I HAD to become BUILDER, I dropped Dranic, changed to Konqule, and became a builder instead of a fixer. Now my upkeep is about 5.6 Bn per day.

That is ALL highly reasonable, it's not easy at my level of MP income I have to play it same when I invade and build out a planet I can screw up and use too much Cr. and not be able to make my upkeep etc. PITA. But it's not the end of the world.

The game needs something to make you keep yourself on your toes. Without high upkeep you would have no real incentive to keep up after Mineral planets etc.

Upkeep is ONLY 5% of the cost you paid (2.5 % if you are a builder). you pay for the items again every 20 days (40 days if you are a builder).

If your Mineral income is not good enough that you could not save up for 20 days and buy 2 of the item, you need more Mineral planets. Period.

I think the upkeep is fine.

-Q
Author:  Joshball98 [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Upkeep inbalance
I think the trick is to NOT become builder, that way you know to relie ( tired cant spell) on your own mineral production. Builder is like a relief thing, need a break become Mylari Miner. Although i do agree that its TONS of upkeep for those cannons...
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