Out of interest, I created an analysis of "strength per rank" for the leaderboard legions this morning. Makes interesting reading, and shows where the top PVP players are located in my personal view. What do people think?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... fUXc#gid=0

I did one of those ages ago.

You can't take one sample though since each legion has different base fighting times. And some have base fighting days...

All in all it gives a rough idea unless you were to take a reading several times a day, every day, for a week or 2.

Can't say things haven't changed but when I did it, most legions below 20 could move up and down 3 strength spots every day.

Interesting... Two things though...

1. Strength per rank has absolutely nothing to do with PvP.
2. Average Strength fluctuates considerably throughout the course of the day depending on how many people are buffed and how many ate a KVT.

Bottom line... Doesn't mean much.

It would be interesting to see a chart made from averages at random times over a week. Clearly annabell's example shows how far it can fluctuate, but it seems most legions stay within 3-4 space span in general.

Is that your version of an acceptance speech? Because you just elected yourself...

Well, AU would slot in next to Lords of Infinity. 29.78.

However, this was quite clearly not a passing interest, and more an advertisement for TSL. I see you there, 58th on the strength board.

That should be rank board actually... and if a member wants to brag on my legion a little I'm fine with that.



Challenge accepted, i'll see if I can have a more accurate list sometime next week.

then in a week it will be outdated as we all add a few extra TOs and gain a few more ranks.

Interesting, but oh so meaningless.

Well, we do have a belief (a creed) in the Sith Lords that we are (should be) considerably above average strength for our ranks, which the rank point/strength point leaderboard positions seemed to back up. So it piqued my interest, and so I thought I'd have a go and look at it a bit more closely. Not originally intended as an advertisement for the legion, but ended up being one Which is fair enough me thinks?

No offense to any other legion intended of course, and I am very sorry if any was caused.

I entirely agree of course that this is extremely variable, no question. Sith Lord's strength rating goes up and down ten places on a regular basis. Still, there is an overall trend/movement range which I don't believe is "oh so meaningless". I think it is an interesting snapshot of the prevalent strategy adopted by the average membership of the leaderboard legions at that time, and in my view serves to characterise the legions to some degree. Clearly the average members of some legions have very "tight/efficient" builds in terms of attack/defense, and clearly some others in average focus less on atk/def build efficiency, and/or more on hacking or mission play. Which is not to say that a legion cannot change this quite quickly, for example when entering a war with high membership commitment or similar - completely clear

Note also that I did this at 2.00 am server time, for what it's worth, so possibly not so much buff around.

I found it interesting to find Stormkyn Alliance Legion up in the Top 5, and was rather impressed by the Dysonians leading not only by virtue of rank, but also by virtue of attack/defense focus.

Darth Flagitious, I've been thinking about your comment that strength has nothing to do with PvP, and have to admit, I don't understand - could you explain? Are you saying this because you include hacking in PvP? I didn't think of hacking so much, thought of it as a separate strategy.

I think it would be cool if the legions missing on one of the leaderboards would add their missing score as well...

one of our strongest members, Matress, doesn't pvp at all. He has a laughable record, but like I said he is one of our strongest. Strength is good for pvp, but some people just do missions or NPCs

@Fluffy: I entirely agree with you - I am confused re Darth Flagitious' point 1 above.

Thank you Fluffy... Dealing with a bit of 'net issues so my reply has been slow in coming....

Just looking at a legion's S/R does not tell you that it is good at or even participates in PvP. As Fluffy pointed out, Matress is one of our legion's strongest members by the numbers, but he takes little to no interest in PvP. An even better example is Supernova. Very good legion, high ranked, strong by the numbers... Predominantly NPC. No offense intended toward GD, but they seem to be the same way because the ones I come across are just godawful at PvP. On the flip side, there are legions that won't show up on that list, but are extremely efficient at PvP. Nemesis, for example, is at the bottom of that list, but if Ejjikai is any example of their legion as a whole... You've also got individuals that are average strength for their rank, yet are excellent PvP players because of timing, strategy and perseverence. When TU was in its infancy, we went to war with PA (now the Honey Badgers). They were an established, strong legion with great PvP experience from long battles with the Dysonians. We were the new kid on the block and mostly average by the numbers. We went toe to toe with them and came out with, by most accounts, a draw.

Yes, strength per rank CAN be an indicator of how good a group COULD be at PvP, but once you factor in play style, the numbers just need to be tossed out the window.

Got it, thanks for clarifying

If your looking for a PVP legion , CRA is making a small shift that way so stop buy.

Cosa sometimes jumps to number 5 when we have all the big guns on and buffed. Then Grandis gets a KVT and knocks us back to earth at 8 or 9

Going to have to abdicate the data collecting duty. A good friend of mine had an unfortunate incident of abuse occur with his 3yr old daughter and i'll be dealing with that for some time as well as hunting down a pederass...

As for the above points... I agree strength has little to do with PvP. Some of the toughest guys out there are strictly npc farmers. Still str/rank is an interesting statistic regardless of how it is applied.