See now that was a complaint made in a reasonable manner.

As to whether any EoTS members cheat... don't know, and don't really care.

As long as activities taken by other players in the game have no adverse effect on myself I honestly could give less than a single turd about what they do.

What I do care about and dislike seeing is a group of people try to dog pile on a person, and make them look like the bad guy AFTER they start poking him and his friends with a stick.

Also: That was a nice parry. Not quite a riposte though.

Prometheus... Giving fair warning to the galaxy in moderately polite way.

Shrub.... Hypocritically self-righteous.

Fear... Trying to sound smarter than he actually is. Typical lawyer.

Squooshy... Trying to sound dumber than he actually is. We presume.

Serne... Uncanny in his accuracy.

Did I miss anything or does that pretty much cover it all?

You forgot about me! lol

And that is actually exactly the point I was trying to make except in the other direction. Must we talk about how much smack talk comes from TU and how much smack talk comes from EoTS or who started smack talk first.

Hence


My "High Horse" is paired nicely with the one on the other side of this conversation

Isnt it cute how everyone can see the point out problems they see with others but not see the same ones in themselves

I don't have a horse anymore Cendant. It died. I kept leading it to water, but the dumb thing wouldn't drink. Can't quite recall why, but I gave it a whiskey enema. Worst decision I ever made.

Maybe I'll get a new one though.

I'm biased but I like that recap! lol


lmao@Tree. You know if it wasn't for the fact I know some cool people in EOTS i'd discuss that thing you call a brain that most people tend to pass out through the process of defecation has seriously weakened with age.

I'm not sure why you have a thing for the Unknown. The speculation while it would be snarkily humorous would just be too cruel and i'd feel bad if some of your "brains" splattered on people I respect over there. As much as your crew is ranking higher than ours, one would think you'd be happy to just be at #1. It certainly doesn't bother you to accept former TU members from what I can see...

I don't feel bad for you hitting ours, after all some of us hit you and yours in turn. Of course some of us remember what it means to walk away... but then you're a "tree"... can't expect you to remember things like that or honor your own declarations.

You really should remember, smack talk or not, this is a game. There are those who play to be #1, there are those who play with class and there are those who play for enjoyment. Be #1 if ya want or at least in the #1 crew since others are higher on the scoreboard I suppose, I prefer to play for other reasons. I'm tempted to keep talking smack but then i'd just be doing cheap albeit amusing shots at a person who I can't really be bothered about.

When you act with hypocrisy and disrespect, few listen and even fewer care.

p.s. Cen I'd explain the logic that Serne got that you did not but the last time I wound up trying to talk things out with your assistance was the last time Tree thru a hissy fit so respectfully i'm just gonna pass.

It's a personal project.
TU is my preferred legion to target.
Our difference in rank just makes it that much easier for me these days.

<3 Love you too Darth. ^_^

Yum. But please help me out. Is that a hint of condescension or is it dismissiveness I taste with the arrogance?

I understand your logic and it is not difficult to grasp. However you are not grasping my response to it.
Preaching that talking about others prompts others to talk about you loses all ground when it comes from someone who talks about others as well. Its like a criminal sending another criminal to prison and admonishing them that crime is bad.

Where this thread is heading




And the inevitable lock as a result.

You know Cen I forgot you are smarter than you came across in that one post. So since we both know reading is fundamental as it were, my conclusion mirrors Darth and company in that you are deliberately trying to sidetrack my previously stated point.

Now in terms of the whole condescension/dismissive with arrogance thing... i'm not surprised your'e vexed. You see, your biases are coloring your perceptions there and you are (selectively?) ignoring parts of my statements. So, after the look in the mirror to figure out which bias is in play, remember this:

I am not playing this to be #1. I don't believe i'm on ANY leadership board currently. I play this strictly for enjoyment, assuming you include stress decompression in that aspect. I don't begrudge those who play to be #1 in some way shape or form. Often, that approach winds up benefiting others, myself included more than someone who just plays for pure enjoyment.

Now i'm not sure why you took it upon yourself to defend Tree's statements here. I don't know if you are acting as the designated EOTS spokesman out of sense to loyalty to the sapling as it were or something else. Speculation is pointless though so I will move on.

Now Tree let us talk about this ... mess... you make of yourself, letting others dictate your actions and what not. Its clear my words struck home, because I come online to find myself disabled and multi-raided by you and apparently you visited others.

I'm not really sure what the point is there is the thing.

Are you trying, in what is strictly a game to most if not all of us, to demonstrate your prowess?? There is no prowess to demonstrate on either side, its a game. You kill me, I kill you, blah blah blah.

I've got my auto blasters so while i'll likely be killing people on occasion still, its not that important to me anymore - my primary purpose was achieved.

Are you trying to get me to take back what I said about you not honoring your commitments? Disavowing the truth is a distasteful thing, so don't hold your breath. Or by all means do, if it pleases you.

Are you trying to make me feel I should stop playing? When you hear something ya don't like is that natural tendency to smash just that overwhelming? Do you feel you are the punisher?
Sorry but i've rubbed elbows with bigger badder tough guys than you and i'm still here. If I ever leave, it will be because I chose to, not because you're offended at hearing something that you have a hard time about. BTW has it occurred to you that your actions validate my statement?

Incidentally I don't mind you being higher rank, good for you old boy. Good for me too because when I succeed in raiding you I wind up getting more than if you were ranked lower than me.

Now I really did want this topic to stay on point instead of going off on your tangent. So allow me to prove I can be a sport and say kudos to you Tree and Cen, for it seems you have surely derailed the topic in question. Mission accomplished? Were only Dan so easy to persuade in terms of making changes we want as it was to derail this thread.

I just enjoy targeting single legions at a time.
TU is the target this week or until I no longer get a response.

I don't know why people gotta get all off topic.
I do my best to stay on topic while others are, not entirely my fault someone mentioned logical arguments or eots or even myself really in a manner that wasn't related to the OP.

Since we're back on the reading is fundamental part...
Please explain where I indicated or gave the impression I am vexed.
Please also read where I indicated that I am not defending Tree, but rather correcting ignorance. You should also note I dont actually even touch upon what Tree has said here.

As far as bias and ignoring parts of your statements, you'll need to be a bit clearer there. For example, the message you quoted here is a direct response to the logic you were using.
Contrast that with your response that I am sidetracking the conversation, being vexed and biased and ignoring statements, but there is no single bit of stubstance that even references what I said let alone respond to it.

The only thing I am sidetracking is your delusions and the only statements I am ignoring are the boisterous fluff you are throwing up as chaff to misdirect and equivocate.

Why people gotta be derogatory towards tree's for, sapling is a very hurtful word.

ah.. so it is a ego thing for you then. Considering that vaunted difference in rank and what not, sorta sad. One would expect someone of your exemplary awe inspiring ability to being selective in targeting foes worthy of you when it came to things like pvp.

Ya do realize your posts were off topic from the start right?

A low rank in your legion runs off with a planet
I suggest its a risk TU takes with having so many seemingly random low ranks.
I also ask if TU can trust the rest of the seemingly random low ranks, I'd hate for you good folks to lose another planet in a similar fashion.

Seems fairly on topic to me.

Ya done broke out the dictionary and thesaurus didn't you? Or was it synonyms of the day for a year calendar?.

Now as to your post in response to mine in response to yours in terms of substance....

Its not really your intellect that's in dispute anymore than mine is. Hell i'm not even arguing about Tree's intellect. So, why should I humor you that you misunderstand the point(s) I have made? We both know you get it, we both know you are being deliberately obscure, obdurate and obstinate (but hey not odious at least so long as I'm working through the letter "O" in my head re adjectives and approaches) in turn.

So rather than have this meaningless debate that you seem to want as reason to distract from what really should not be that big a issue, I pass. As a parting courtesy allow me to summarize in such a way that even you should have a difficult time twisting it.

You and Tree would be better off just accepting that you should not talk about other crews when you complain about people doing it in reference to yours. I on the other hand, don't really care if people talk about mine (sometimes any publicity is better than NO publicity).

Other than having the pleasure of being able to point that out, I really couldn't give a quid or a quif what Tree or anyone else not in my legion has to say about my legion if I disagree with the assessment. If I agree depending on the nature of the comment I may either take action or bask in the praise.

Hmm... perhaps I can even break this down simpler for those who need it - If you have nothing nice to say, its better to say nothing.

Kirk, you are one of the classier hitters not to mention a leader there so allow me to note, Sapling seems to be an appropriate term as referencing age. Certainly there is a suggestion of age given some actions and predictability thereof. On a side note, what can you call a tree age wise beyond seed, sapling or tree? Firewood while perhaps appropriate on occasion is likely not a proper term for age :p

hmm considering the # of planets our respective legions have swapped out over the 2(?) years EOTS has been in existence, your concern is indeed genuinely touching.

However, allow me by analogy to point out why it comes across so poorly assuming you are not being scurrilously facetious.

The guy who gets slapped in the face for going up to a woman and grabbing her physically in a clearly sexual manner, may truly have merely wanted to express his interest in pursuing a relationship with her, but he should not be surprised that she objected to the approach used.

I've never begrudged you guys your top spot and I have often waxed complementary on same. Now please note that's not the same thing as being gracious about having my base disabled if you experience confusion on that point.

Yes, we have taken in lower rankers, concentrating on fixers. If you have friends in the military, they might have related this saying to you - "if its stupid and it works, it aint stupid".

Considering our group as a whole suffers from a tragic illness known as "fundsarelow" this was a better approach for legion development while encouraging new blood (not counting re-setters) into the game.

Now lets think about that expressed concern in terms of trusting others. Without mentioning names as I'm not trying to cast aspersions, do you mean to tell me if one of yours was banned for some reason as had happened in the past and I made a comment along the lines of yours with a appropriate editorial twist you would take such as being well-intended?....you know, so and so was friends with X,Y,Z of your crew or hey, So and So came in from the same legion as them better watch out... etc...

somehow I just don't see it. Sorry. Color me tragically short of vision on that one.

I will mention an upside to having new blood in though that I really did NOT forsee. Our high rankers are often made offers to come and join such and such legion. No one bothers in terms of the lower rankers. It provides for stability in a way that makes my life easier and my playing simpler. The high rankers while usually very happy sometimes want a change of pace.

See there ya go again. Insults and name calling rather than a response. I am not claiming that I misunderstand, but rather disagree and posed a response to your statement.
Stating that we both know I am being obscure, obdurate and obstinate, not only has no basis in what is said, but also only serves to deflect from you actually adding to it.

To make things easy for ya.






p.s.


Perhaps a bit of your own advice first, or are you a proponent of do as I say, not as I do