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Darth Flagitious
Joined: Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:49 pm
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Who said anything about someone being farmed? You can start at 3 disables this morning and get killed by 3 different, unrelated people. Now you have the ability to sit back and lob all the CMs and nerfs at whoever you want. Someone gets alerted in your legion for a single no point hack (yes it happens) and now let's make him miserable by wiping his buffs every 5 minutes. Old school PvP is one thing, that's just being a jackass. Arti slinging from a zero needs to have some consequence before tomorrow.
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| Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:39 pm |
 
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Dr Bill
Joined: Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:31 am
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 Littlefluffy wrote: you can hack/raid... and break it like a halcyon. It is not difficult to find someone to raid off the bt.
If they want to fight back then they should have some sort of consequence. The point is that right now they hit 0 and they can just make your game play miserable all day long and no way for the attacker to fight back. I think I would be okay if they only raised the action count by 1 and capped there, MAYBE UP T 3/5/5 but that is it. I shouldn't have 10 actions if I decide to kill a 1.2k+ off my bt by lobbing a few emps to soften them up.
Also, to play devil's advocate, you didn't *have* to attack them in the first place, much less zero them. There are dozens if not hundreds of threads here where people are going on and on about how the attacker has all the advantages in a fight, with the ability to choose debuffs, buff up fully, repair mid attack, blah blah blah you have no right to force me into pvp when i don't want bs bs bs etc.
This is a sneaky underhanded tactic, and it obviously works. Umadbro.
Also, CMs are worthless enough as it is without there being a further prohibition on their usage.
That said, if it were to be changed to suit your needs, I see the softcap on actions being a good idea. Max of 1/0/0 from artis alone, imo._________________ And by the way it's not about making money, it's about taking money.
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| Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:01 pm |
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Wolfy Minion
Joined: Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:16 am
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Nope wasn't playing when nets were around.
If I understand them though it was the old halcyon where they had no way of removing it on their own, which i already suggested it is like the new one and they can simply hack or raid someone and gain an action and do whatever the like.
How is this a prohibition of CM use? All it is doing is preventing someone from spamming them at someone without consequence. If they want to do it fine do it, but the attackers (now the defenders) need to be able to retaliate. it is just stupid that just because i am able to get someone down to 0 disables that they can have free rein on my play style.
Also this will allow people to bump the turds off the battle tab which is a bother in itself.
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| Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:28 pm |
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Dr Bill
Joined: Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:31 am
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Littlefluffy wrote: Nope wasn't playing when nets were around.
If I understand them though it was the old halcyon where they had no way of removing it on their own, which i already suggested it is like the new one and they can simply hack or raid someone and gain an action and do whatever the like. But if they can't use arts, how are they going to get a hack or raid? Sure, it's possible, I do it all the time, but what you are talking about is making someone dependent on their ability to luck into a scavenge raid before they can retal you. Basically, you want to be able to run their playstyle, and them not have the ability to do so to you.
How is this a prohibition of CM use? CMs don't need anything else making them less valuable. Removing a use for them, based solely on your desire to pummel a weaker opponent and leave them unable to do anything back, is ludicrous. All it is doing is preventing someone from spamming them at someone without consequence. If they want to do it fine do it, but the attackers (now the defenders) need to be able to retaliate. it is just stupid that just because i am able to get someone down to 0 disables that they can have free rein on my play style. Then don't z0 them. That's a decision you made.
Also this will allow people to bump the turds off the battle tab which is a bother in itself. You are right about 0d targets needing to be able to be bumped.
1. A mechanic the game is already tracking (less code for Dan, who works on this alone and believe it or not has a job too, you can Google him if you don't believe me)
2. Punitive to the 0d as he can't use arts to make retaliating easier
3. Prevents the guerrilla tactics you are so up in arms over
4. Doesn't cripple the 0d guy the way halc would (two wrongs don't make a right)_________________And by the way it's not about making money, it's about taking money.
Destroying the status quo because the status is not quo.
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| Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:19 am |
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Wolfy Minion
Joined: Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:16 am
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Dr Bill wrote: Littlefluffy wrote: Nope wasn't playing when nets were around.
If I understand them though it was the old halcyon where they had no way of removing it on their own, which i already suggested it is like the new one and they can simply hack or raid someone and gain an action and do whatever the like. But if they can't use arts, how are they going to get a hack or raid? Sure, it's possible, I do it all the time, but what you are talking about is making someone dependent on their ability to luck into a scavenge raid before they can retal you. Basically, you want to be able to run their playstyle, and them not have the ability to do so to you.
How is this a prohibition of CM use? CMs don't need anything else making them less valuable. Removing a use for them, based solely on your desire to pummel a weaker opponent and leave them unable to do anything back, is ludicrous. All it is doing is preventing someone from spamming them at someone without consequence. If they want to do it fine do it, but the attackers (now the defenders) need to be able to retaliate. it is just stupid that just because i am able to get someone down to 0 disables that they can have free rein on my play style. Then don't z0 them. That's a decision you made.
Also this will allow people to bump the turds off the battle tab which is a bother in itself. You are right about 0d targets needing to be able to be bumped.
1. A mechanic the game is already tracking (less code for Dan, who works on this alone and believe it or not has a job too, you can Google him if you don't believe me)
2. Punitive to the 0d as he can't use arts to make retaliating easier
3. Prevents the guerrilla tactics you are so up in arms over
4. Doesn't cripple the 0d guy the way halc would (two wrongs don't make a right)Are you kidding? wait 5 minutes on the battle tab and there is someone to raid...been doing this since I was rank mid 80s. Aside for a small window when people are not at like GST-3-6AM. Even then there is the leader boards. Luck has nothing to do with it, either you want to take 5 minutes to do an action and fight or you are too lazy and have been beaten and thus should stay down. Clearly you have never been in a war CMs fly constantly. The reason they are useless is because people have made it a rule of etiquette not to use them, which is their choice. It has nothing to do with being zero'd, they just for some reason find it some how justifiable to start shooting them when they have been beaten down. Hell a low rank shoots me with one I rebuff a few minutes later, shoot me again I zero them and then what they get to do it all day long and I have to suffer? And again you are telling me how to play, and trying to say being 0'd should have no consequence. You are being hypocritical. I shouldn't zero someone if I don't want them to retaliate and they shouldn't retaliate if they don't want more punishment. Let me put it this way. Zeroing someone is a punishment; maybe for stealing a planet , maybe for having such a weak ship that everyone targets you on the bt, either way it is a punishment for your actions. Don't tell me that a random person on the bt can play how they want, I know, but if they are being hit so frequently they are zero'd off the bt then they are doing something wrong and need to work on their ship. _________________
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| Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:34 am |
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Twisted Saviour
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:31 pm
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Littlefluffy wrote: Right now if someone has their disables dropped to zero there is no consequence. They can CM, debuff and basically play as if nothing happened, but they can not be hit back. This is similar to how halcyons were abused before.
Simple change is make it so 0 disables effective acts like a halcyon trap being set off. They are pacfied, can't use enemy arts, it can be broken witha hack or raid when they gain an action or time goes up and their action count rises. +1 this would also hopefully remove dead weight (0,0,0 players) from BT it's annoying when dead weight blocks the BT _________________ Do you like to mass debate?
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strm avenger
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It shouldn't cripple them. Raise their actions? Yes. A cap of 1/1/1, achievable every time the person hit zero would be a good idea to stop people using say, 10 disarming bombs and containment missile and say, a quantum flare (then getting the disable and hack). Looking at 15/17/17 actions just for that encounter. That's a bit harsh.
Bumping players always has my vote.
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| Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:11 pm |
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Dr Bill
Joined: Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:31 am
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strm avenger wrote: It shouldn't cripple them. Raise their actions? Yes. A cap of 1/1/1, achievable every time the person hit zero would be a good idea to stop people using say, 10 disarming bombs and containment missile and say, a quantum flare (then getting the disable and hack). Looking at 15/17/17 actions just for that encounter. That's a bit harsh.
Bumping players always has my vote.
I can agree with this. I doubt it's implementation, but I can agree with it._________________And by the way it's not about making money, it's about taking money.
Destroying the status quo because the status is not quo.
The world is a mess and I just need to...
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| Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:00 pm |
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Wolfy Minion
Joined: Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:16 am
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zzz I have a 0 disable person on my bt...bump.
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Fear
Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:41 am
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Littlefluffy wrote: Dr Bill wrote: Um, there's one thing you are missing though. While many players use this tactic, most do not. If they get halced when they hit zero, that means they can't retaliate. If they can't use arts, they are unlikely to be able to hack their way out of it, so then the only option would be to cross fingers for a free raid, or wait a full day.
So then if someone zeros you, you have to wait 24 hours from the first disable before you can hit back?
Sorry, I like the premise but execution needs work.
-1 for now. SO basically what you're saying is that when someone gets their ship torn to bits and utterly destroyed they are unable to fight back and that's a bad thing? That's the point of this idea, they shouldn't be able to, especially since it leaves the attackers completely vulenerable to debuffs/CMs all day without and repercussions to the 0'd person. ROFL Fluff i've seen how often you are on in game... if you had to go a day without killing someone you'd be nuts. Probably trying to start war the entire top 50 legions minus ours... Scarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy _________________
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| Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:30 pm |
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Wolfy Minion
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Fear wrote: ROFL Fluff i've seen how often you are on in game... if you had to go a day without killing someone you'd be nuts. Probably trying to start war the entire top 50 legions minus ours...
Scarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I won't be unable to kill someone. I would just have to raid or hack someone first. _________________
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| Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:34 pm |
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Wolfy Minion
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Bump...being art spammed with someone with no actions. They should at least gain 1 ffs, they are engaging in pvp they should be able to be engaged back.
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Fear
Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:41 am
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Some one who is engaging in pvp should always have a minimal 1 action. PVP includes artifact use on enemy players..If they want to keep the 0 disables leave the other players alone.
-Doesnt stop ya from npcing
-Doesnt stop ya from conquest(tho that will increase your actions once done)
-Doesnt stop ya from missions
I'd also say if they can't disable get em off my BT, but failing that Dan if they have NO actions of any type (raid, disable, hack) can they at least stay off the BT till then?....
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| Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:49 pm |
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romanoid
Joined: Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:14 pm
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well Fluffy, if YOU zeroed someones kills, that just means he CAN and most probably will annoy crap out of ya...
IMHO its just fair game hehe
if you dont want to be annoyed by this DONT zero hes disables! simple as that
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Fear
Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:41 am
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romanoid wrote: well Fluffy, if YOU zeroed someones kills, that just means he CAN and most probably will annoy crap out of ya...
IMHO its just fair game hehe
if you dont want to be annoyed by this DONT zero hes disables! simple as that ah but what if u didn't zero the fellow and he's on your BT?.... Fluffy is a frustrated math teach in r/l, that's why he gives out zeros so much here... he can't do it there due to social passing mentalities in the administration..... J/K but ya never know.... lol _________________
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| Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:44 pm |
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romanoid
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if zeroed guy sits on hes BT, that guy has no link to him to spam with arties...
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playret0195x
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Littlefluffy wrote: Right now if someone has their disables dropped to zero there is no consequence. They can CM, debuff and basically play as if nothing happened, but they can not be hit back. This is similar to how halcyons were abused before.
Simple change is make it so 0 disables effective acts like a halcyon trap being set off. They are pacfied, can't use enemy arts, it can be broken witha hack or raid when they gain an action or time goes up and their action count rises. +0.5 Instead of pacifying them they will have no way of perfoming an offensive action. And if their true intent wasn't to be pacified they should still be able to hit back. This can be abused as someone can zero out someone guarding a planet and they cant guard it anymore, nor try to invade it either. It basically means if you're zeroed you can't fight back. Make it so that they can only perform offensive actions against those who ahve disabled, hacked, or raided withing 24 hours. Then it will get my +1. _________________
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Wolfy Minion
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romanoid wrote: well Fluffy, if YOU zeroed someones kills, that just means he CAN and most probably will annoy crap out of ya...
IMHO its just fair game hehe
if you dont want to be annoyed by this DONT zero hes disables! simple as that I didn't. I killed him once on a planet. So it was for a medal and what not, but I haven't touched him since. He was disabled by all the people he has been debuffing so now I can't do anything to him and he can continue for a single disable to annoy me and how ever many others are on his log. _________________
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| Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:58 pm |
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romanoid
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Littlefluffy wrote: romanoid wrote: well Fluffy, if YOU zeroed someones kills, that just means he CAN and most probably will annoy crap out of ya...
IMHO its just fair game hehe
if you dont want to be annoyed by this DONT zero hes disables! simple as that I didn't. I killed him once on a planet. So it was for a medal and what not, but I haven't touched him since. He was disabled by all the people he has been debuffing so now I can't do anything to him and he can continue for a single disable to annoy me and how ever many others are on his log. wait for 24h (i think actions bubble in 12 tho) and tore him... everything is possible  just need to be patient, if he is spaming you... so he is on your log for another 48h, SO that means he cat even halc up... which means you CAN retaliate _________________
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Fireblade
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romanoid wrote: Littlefluffy wrote: romanoid wrote: well Fluffy, if YOU zeroed someones kills, that just means he CAN and most probably will annoy crap out of ya...
IMHO its just fair game hehe
if you dont want to be annoyed by this DONT zero hes disables! simple as that I didn't. I killed him once on a planet. So it was for a medal and what not, but I haven't touched him since. He was disabled by all the people he has been debuffing so now I can't do anything to him and he can continue for a single disable to annoy me and how ever many others are on his log. wait for 24h (i think actions bubble in 12 tho) and tore him... everything is possible just need to be patient, if he is spaming you... so he is on your log for another 48h, SO that means he cat even halc up... which means you CAN retaliate Dropping the guy 3 times a day then being unable to play at all due to cm's debuffs for 24 hours isn't what i call being able to retal. _________________ 
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