Well, this whole topic was very interesting read

i stopped reading it when the butthurt reached 60 posts..

If you stopped reading how did you respond to his post?

Ok, let's put it this way... in the last 3 months I have gotten ~20k purgers from arti pulls and mostly stellar cartography.
You are getting 3 - 6 purgers a day, so to be able to scan as much as I have, you'll need to wait 10 years
Meanwhile, I will be getting around 25 purgers a day, thanks to my increased arti production, so I will be able to scan more often than you.

If you think that's ok, then sure, the nerf does not affect low ranks, all is good...

I think it does, but most of low rankers do not know yet

I agree, I read the whole thing as well.
That being said, I agree that Stellar Cartography should give 0 XP. That would help quite a lot, I think.

No no no no no.

Build up a giant e bar and create those any time you have extra e?
Save up refills and make tons without ever ranking up?
needs to give some exp always

your honour, i rest my case.

however, i also agree with KJ that the purger mission needs to give xp. with the new ratio, i can get 15 purgers per rank up, or 60 in between planet slots. if there was zero xp, i could freeze rank and build up a massive pile which would imbalance the game the other way. if all anyone is doing is farming purgers, then the rest of the game withers.

Uh, HELLO! Yes please! Every freeze ranker in the game would rejoice if that happened, become ridiculously OP.

What else do you suggest high ranks do?

Dailys take 2 mins base takes 2 mins
legion missions can take a little longer but once every 3 days

Npcing after 2200= pointless without Terraformers Npcing losing any meaning

Missions By that point are all done

Scanning and purging gave them a way to play and enjoy this game, yes dan has added legion missions but 1 task every 3 days isn't really a challenge to high ranks, haven't found a task that i haven't been able to do in 15 mins.

Hey, YOU'RE BACK! I know you!

ok I didn't read the mass of this thread but I would just like to say this. If there is a hard cap or a limit to the amount of energy you can get from ranking up I would like the option of getting all my energy rank points back and replacing them. I have a massive amount of energy for a goal I'm trying to reach and if Dan changes it and I can no longer hit my goal that I've been working on for several months I will be very upset. lol

lolz, boost our atks by 50k!

If he set a soft cap on the energy gained on level up AND released more relays to MAKE UP FOR THE AUTO LEVELING ENERGY GAINED then you would need the high max energy to cover the amount of energy the relays take down, so you wouldn't need to have it changed over or you would only need a bit of it. As we have all been saying Dan needs to put a concrete yes or no to this, this on the fence isn't helping anyone.

If there was a hard cap I would be right with you guys lining up to complain.

He could make a thread or poll to see where people stand and what solutions they would like best and why.

relays take off like what 100 nrg ?? I have around 45k nrg! how big will the relays be?

If they are going to give you good enough energy regen then I figure they will be taking off plenty of max energy. The relays we have are only up to around lv 300 if that. The ones we get from npc don't even deal with max energy and such. If new ones where released for players they would hopefully be for higher levels and take larger chunks out of max energy. It's up to Dan to come up with a solution and balance the numbers better since he can see far more data then any of us can.

To rank twice a day a player needs around 10k their rank in max energy and 10x their rank in energy regen. To rank more they would need even higher numbers. The steeper the curve for ranking per day the higher the max energy used by the relays should be.

ok feldshan what rank are you? and how long have you been playing? because you have no clue what you are talking about

AT ALL

more regen isnt enough to fix capping energy the way you're talking about unless its thousands an hour

having relays take more away from max e doesnt mean a thing as you can just take them off when you level...

with 10x your rank in energy, and 0 recharge you can level indefinitely while npcing as long as your ship strength is good enough.

getting, more relays solves nothing - but actualy makes things worse

if you have maxed your energy production - you get 1 energy every 30 sek = 120 energy pr hour = 2880 energy pr day

add + 5 energy charge, and you get 1 energy every 25 sek = 144 energy pr hour = 3.456 energy pr day
add + 10 energy charge, and you get 1 energy every 20 sek = 180 energy pr hour = 4.320 energy pr day
add + 15 energy charge, and you get 1 energy every 15 sek = 240 energy pr hour = 5.760 energy pr day
add + 20 energy charge, and you get 1 energy every 10 sek = 360 energy pr hour = 8.640 energy pr day
add + 25 energy charge, and you get 1 energy every 5 sek = 720 energy pr hour = 17.280 energy pr day
add + 29 energy charge, and you get 1 energy every 1 sek = 3.600 energy pr hour = 86.400 energy pr day


increasing the energy gain from 2880 energy pr day to 8640 energy pr day, would realy make mutch difrence, when you look at how mutch energy you need for a Legion mission NPC mission
and if you go beoynd +20 extra charge, the number off enginers you have added to your ship stops to matter

I don't think an engi cap would be a good idea. Because then high ranks (1,000+) would take more than just a couple days to rank up. Unless the cap increased with rank, then a maximum amount of engineers would only upset higher ranks.

Waw, I did read thru all, trying to keep on notes some points. so:





If it STILL has to be, lets try to create together a reasonable suggestion, which would serve the goal but not hurt much, if possible not at all.

Summarized suggestion from my view, still valid only if change of "purger misson" would not help:
1) change/increase in xp for ranking up without touching the energy refill after rank up:
rank up to 500 current exp bar * 1 (as till now)
rank 501-1000 current exp bar * 1.1 (each level require 10% more xp)
rank 1001 - 1500 current exp bar * 1.2 (20% more xp required as now)
rank 1501 - 2000 current exp bar * 1.3 (30% more xp required as now)
rank 2001 - 2500 current exp bar * 1.4 (40% more xp required as now)
rank 2501 - 3000 current exp bar * 1.5 ( 50%...)
to continue per need... this should NOT be recalculated backwards and a certain notification time should be given PLS


2) if the point 1 would not help, due any reason.. lets have special "energy sink" mission from rank 1000 (or 1500) with random reward - relatively low chance (5-10% ?), multiple rewards possible... some would maybe like to have the option of another relay in game


3) if STILL not good enough:
free energy refill after rank up to be scaled down - suggestion:
Which ever is higher: 50% of current max energy or 10* of current rank (capped by max energy)
15000/30000 > 10*1000
15000/30000 < 10*2000

PLEASE try to look at the numbers as these are really 100% open for modification.
Would be great, if the argues about rank, experience etc would stay aside.. as eventually, if Dan decide to implement energy refill scale down, it will hurt all from certain rank... eventually each player as we all rank up.

Auto ranking will solve its self in time. on its own. no change is needed.