This is one possible problem " if " you choose to let everyone in your legion to lock on a base.

1) Lack of leadership adds to chaos
2) Can you honestly trust 50 guys to wait for " x " amount of players in the legion to attack the base so it can be disabled quickly ?
3) Leaders and officers have to be trusted with the responsibility's of the entire legion and be accountable for their actions but if a member messes up bad , the leaders could get upset and kick that person.
4) The more people that you have making decisions , the more chances you open to human error.
It's best to leave big decisions to the leaders and officers.
I like the idea of all battle based games to have the structure of the military because every position has it's purpose and reason.

There's an old saying " Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians " . To me , that leads to chaos.

Adding a NCO class adds a few more guys to share the red badge burden with them being trusted to do the " right " thing that the Leaders want and if they don't , they're position can and will be terminated and they'll be demoted to member.

The NCO is another prestigious position that a select few could be to be trusted with some of the responsibility's of the legion such as scanning for bases to share the red badge burden , help control the base when attacked if and when a leader or officer isn't present etc.

If and when this idea is implemented , I'd make sure that the NCO's that were voted in would be the most active guys in the legion so they can be there when a crisis happens " if " the leaders and officers aren't present.

In the military , sergeants interact with the enlisted men the most while Officers and Leaders / Generals make critical decisions to make the legions run smoothly.

In this game, the leaders , officers and members fight together and have fun etc .. but a sergeant tier would add to the structure of a legion as it does the military which in turn adds to a more disciplined and efficient ran legion.

+1

Punctuated equilibrium prevents a lot of officers from helping, they're on, then they're not.... Rick's idea would help create two things:

1. Ability for the legion to have a better command structure in a hierarchical setting.

2. A stronger sense of community for people who contribute actively to the legion, due to the increased and shared responsibility.

+111 This is the next natural evolution in the game, most things work out great in 3s anyway so having a third rank that would be unique in their duties could greatly organize legion duties. Distributing specific abilities would greatly increase overall structure and organization of the whole legion.

Didn't know that you did suggest it in the past but I'm glad you did.
This does need more attention especially since the bases came out.

this is a great idea!!!

+1 also need to consider a lvl vs lvl limit to base combat ( as in a lvl 7 base should not be able to target a lvl ( 5,6,7 base)

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Having the third tier of structured command, particularly for base operations, seems the logical next step. Certainly from the point of view of those legions who already conduct their legions in a manner more delineated by specific positions, more militaristic, this would be a good thing. I think perhaps those legions which do not operate in said manner are more likely to be less supportive as their operational models are different. As Lycan mentioned, his legion spreads the load. I imagine the question of a third tier of command is a rather moot point for the non-militaristic legions. Myself I have seen the effectiveness of compartmentalised organisational hierarchy and agree that an NCO type position would be a great addition. Also it does seem that limiting base combat to between bases which are within a level of each other (or some other such limiting and equalising factor) would be in keeping with the standing rules which govern the game.

Funny how every Dysonian is in favor. Could it be that the top echelon is afraid to dilute some of it's power? Too many egos cant co-exist when more than half of the roster is good enough to be a leader in a top 10 legion. Keep begging, you will never see a crown as long as you're there.

+1 This is a good idea.

This is a good idea., but I do have a bit of constructive criticism. It should be at the leaders sole discretion who has what privileges. Four layers of membership would add to this too. NCO could have a list of options that a leader can approve or restrict and officers as well. There is a lot of room for improvement here. A good idea that could blossom and make this game even Better than it is now.


Long live KoNR!!!

You need to read every word in this thread. Egos have nothing to do with any of the this. Instead of trying to dilute the power , we're trying to add to it for the better of the legions.

I posted earlier that it's not a good idea to have too many chiefs and not enough Indians for obvious reasons.
You might have to educate yourself on that concept.

Keep begging for what ?
A crown for what ?

This is about making a legion run more smoothly.
I'm not going to repeat myself but read every ones responses and maybe you'll get it.

It's obvious that you have a problem with us " Dysonians " but that doesn't mean that you have to come in here and try to knock down a good idea to make the game better in many peoples eyes.
Look closer , you'll see that there is more than half of the people responding that aren't Dysonians.

The idea was spread through a few different chats and they had a choice to comment or not.

+1

As a former officer of The Dysonians, a suggestion.
I would make the Diplomacy Tab (officer's options) and the Member Kick button be unavailable to NCOs.
- Diplomacy is an officer's job.
- Member kick is just a personal opinion.

You'd have to give them access to the officer chat.
Leaders - Make policy
Officers - Expand policy
NCOs - Implement Policy
Members - Line Beasts and Shooters at the Sharp End

In the end, what possible difference could being an NCO make? As many have stated, there is no prestige to the promotion so that point is mute, and as for base combat, we have implemented a pretty sound scenario on all base attempts and although new it's working quite well. This only requires a leader and a few members to be on at the time of lock and in a pinch could be done by an officer...adding a third tier here would just be redundant.

Now if Dan would cut back on the # of traps received and matches them to the # of nulls received...gets rid of TM's period...makes it so containment missiles can get rid of omicron nets and makes PvPing worth doing again I would agree that an NCO class would be ideal for our shock troops (perhaps a morale boost when attacking in mass)...but until then...meh...no reason for it.

Ditto, we worked out a similar system

I do like the NCO idea considerably!

You should just get a system where one person at a time scans....you chat and decide if its the one....if not next person scans...... that way you dont spend 20 badges needlessly ......

There is nothing lost by adding an NCO tier but it would add benefits as I stated earlier.
Really how much trouble is it to code in another tier in the game ? I've seen Dan do things over night before.

Yeah I'm the senior officer of the Dysonians and I made the thread so yeah I'm pushing the idea because I think it's a good one and would add to the game.
If you ever served in the military , you would understand why it's important to have different ranks because each has it's purpose. I already talked about this earlier so I don't need to go into it any further.

The NCO tier would be many things in a legion and NOT just a prestige thing as you said. I and many others stated in here some ideas about what they could do but for some reason you come in here and want to crush an idea for personal reasons.
I know that you don't like most of us and you come in here trying to slam a member that you have a problem with.
You need to keep that business out of the forum here and stick to the matter at hand where it belongs.
We don't need flame wars and drama going on in an area where ideas are supposed to be expressed.

No a legion doesn't need 5 leaders and 10 officers to make decisions for the legion. A few good men can get that done easily and that's why I posted this thread.
A legion doesn't need too many Chiefs and not enough Indians and adding members to share the red badge burden adds to the chaos factor because there is too much room for human error as I stated earlier.
If the military let it's privates make critical decisions like give coordinates of an area to be shelled by artillery in front of the front lines 100 yards away would you trust that guy to do that ? I wouldn't especially if I was one of the guys in the front lines.
Privates aren't trained to make decisions but to follow them.
Likewise a member could just lock on a base and have a few friends that they feel they can take by themselves and not thinking about the entire legion needing or getting silver badges or a certain member might have a problem with an officer or leader and could lock on a base for the hell of it when most aren't ready or online to attack it.
That person could do that out of spite not thinking about the legion as a whole like Leaders and Officers do.
So no I don't trust all 50 guys to make critical decisions just like the military doesn't.

And no we don't want to add more leaders and officers for the reasons I stated above but adding another tier to the ranks would be a nice addition to any legion with certain responsibilities that a leader allows for many reasons. Not just a prestige one.

Just because 3 classes of membership is plenty for you doesn't mean it is for every legion.
The more options a person or legion can have the better. I don't know anyone who likes restrictions that doesn't allow them to run something better and more efficient.

I can't believe what I'm reading.
I know you and have talked with you many times so I thought you would understand this better.
Man , read how many pros there are to this thread compared to cons. It's not even close because most see the benefit of it.

And yes there is prestige to any position above the " member " rank. One came in here and tried to say that the only reason I made this thread is so we could make a NCO class for one person in our legion for a prestige reason because they said they would like to have the position in here.
Yeah Dan made a great decision by adding base combat to the game. It adds another option to make the game more fun and interesting but as with everything it's not perfect.
I simply pointed out a few things that need attention to improve and add to the game.

By the way adding another tier to a legion isn't redundant. It would take a load off of the Leaders and Officers with the red badge burden.
Would a few guys like to have the prestige of that position ? yes who wouldn't ? But that's not why I made this thread.

NCO's / Sergeants added to my legion would be a hand picked team of guys that are online more than most that could catch an attack on our base " if " no leaders or officers happened to be offline for whatever reason and take care of the attack because the leaders of our legion gave them the honor and duty to take care of that problem.
I'm sure there could be more reasons in the future to add to the NCO class that the Leaders could give them the power to take care of.

The rest of the things you mentioned don't apply to this thread. I think you'd get more attention to it if you made your own thread about those.

The fact that I dont care for you personally does not mean my points have no merit. So you as a legion CHOOSE to limit your officers/leaders the way you do is your own business and the rules dont need to change....BTW you flatter yourself you ceased to have any importance to me long ago.

"You need to keep that business out of the forum here and stick to the matter at hand where it belongs.
We don't need flame wars and drama going on in an area where ideas are supposed to be expressed."

Once again you flatter yourself......how this is a flame war i have no idea....have you all become so so so humorless?

"Privates aren't trained to make decisions but to follow them."

"So no I don't trust all 50 guys to make critical decisions just like the military doesn't."

This is not a ww2 or other such game if thats what you want there are already countless one and that does not mean that because it has certain military aspects this is not and i repeat the ARMY its a sci fi space game and not every thing here need to mirror real life military structures.

"A legion doesn't need too many Chiefs and not enough Indians and adding members to share the red badge burden adds to the chaos factor because there is too much room for human error as I stated earlier. "

Since however you like to trot out military example after example so can I

"No a legion doesn't need 5 leaders and 10 officers to make decisions for the legion. A few good men can get that done easily and that's why I posted this thread."

General Dwight David Eisenhower was still only a general......supreme allied commander yes but his RANK is that of 5 Star General Not leader and there were other generals too right? Like Patton Bradly Mc Carthur....Did we loose the war or did the take there role and prosecuted the war. Oh BTW thats not even counting the Russians and there Millions of troops. Just as not all generals are equal so it can also be with both leaders and officers. In our legion we all have our roles without having to have and extra class which has not ever been necessary. I cant even begin to count how many "generals" there actually were BTW


"Likewise a member could just lock on a base and have a few friends that they feel they can take by themselves and not thinking about the entire legion needing or getting silver badges or a certain member might have a problem with an officer or leader and could lock on a base for the hell of it when most aren't ready or online to attack it."


I thought you guys were supposed to be such a well oiled machine and such a great "team". Cant you trust your members to follow and read announcements?

"Just because 3 classes of membership is plenty for you doesn't mean it is for every legion.
The more options a person or legion can have the better. I don't know anyone who likes restrictions that doesn't allow them to run something better and more efficient."


Seems to have been working for plenty of other legions....Most have more leaders/officers then your legion does.....so I still dont see how this is not anything but this is not working for your legion so it needs fixing?

"By the way adding another tier to a legion isn't redundant. It would take a load off of the Leaders and Officers with the red badge burden."

Why do you keep saying this....You only have that burden because it is how you set your base rules.....if you dont like the burden change it


In closing I noticed you did not address any of my points or suggestions but rather choose to babble on about this military procedure and that military procedure, let me again remind you this is not an army game and to just be silly how do you know what kind of military structure a konqul has? or even worse your telling me a vogid has the exact same military hierarchy as humans? Im sorry I dont like your precious idea because it seems redundant. It is as i said before....we dont want you as an officer. My suggestion as an improvement to your original thought would be to have more control over what individual officers are allowed....This officer a can do x while officer b can do y. If this idea does fly please at least keep it in the spirit of a sci fi game and call t something besides NCO .