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Remric wrote:
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When ice thaws, the liquid actually takes up a smaller volume than the solid, not the other way around. Why then does the mass surface melter make a planet BIGGER when it should in fact be smaller?


since when did heating something make it smaller.

Solid molecules are closely together
Liquid molecules are far apart
Gas Molecules become way far apart


Heating expands objects. While cooling them down will contract/compress molecules.

When water freezes it becomes a crystal and due to how the crystal is arranged, it takes up more volume than the liquid.
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the people who want to be logical im willing to bet are star trek fans they want a bunch of big words to explain everything i know how they feel im a trek fan also

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the people who want to be logical im willing to bet are star trek fans they want a bunch of big words to explain everything i know how they feel im a trek fan also


I don't care about the logic at this instance because it sucks.
Icy planets are naturally small sized planet and making the planet into a even smaller ocean planet would make the oceanianic planet absolutely useless and deem mass surface planet unless.

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Remric wrote:
spyder wrote:
When ice thaws, the liquid actually takes up a smaller volume than the solid, not the other way around. Why then does the mass surface melter make a planet BIGGER when it should in fact be smaller?


since when did heating something make it smaller.

Solid molecules are closely together
Liquid molecules are far apart
Gas Molecules become way far apart


Heating expands objects. While cooling them down will contract/compress molecules.



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I'm going to pretend you werent serious
and you were looking to mess with those without an affinity
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especially regarding water.


No he was quite serious, with all the knowledge you get on the internet you figured that people would be smarter... guess not.

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no one has tried putting chips bags in the microwave???

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no one has tried putting chips bags in the microwave???

yes, they shrink.. but when i'm done microwaving they don't expand again

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IT'S A GAME!!!! IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE SENSE!!!! SHEESH!!


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Agreed. Doesnt need to make sense for a game, but if have a mass of water it will take less volume than an equal mass of ice because the molecules form into a hexagon pattern thus increasing the space. 7th grade science people...

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I like sci-fi pseudo knowledge, it actually drives future thought and invention, so here goes:


1. You are only considering the surface material of the planet. No planet is one material the whole way through.
2. Ice Planet is just a nice name for what would actually be closer to permafrost, super dense permafrost in fact, is not like ice. (certainly not ice-water)
3. Melting this super dense permafrost will allow the compressed inner core to expand through thermal expansion.
4. Also producing atmospheric gasses, most of which would be lost to space, the rest coalescing into a stable atmosphere.

so, expanded core + atmosphere makes a much bigger diameter planet.

The mass surface melter is entirely logical, always has been.

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Popcorn + Microwave = Expansion..... Your argument is Invalid

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The Mass surface melter targets the core of the planet causing more active rotation and volcanic activity to increase mass on the surface. Increase heat on the planet, thus melting the ice in to an ocean at the same time, with increase energy, the magnetic forces becomes stronger balancing the lighter core and increase surface. Due to the large amount of h2o on the surface, the volcanic activity is largely hidden from orbit since its underwater mostly.

That's the most logic conclusion I can think of. At the end, millions of years later, the planet will probably self-destruct and tear itself apart. Hell, by then we have 10 dyson planets.

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The Mass surface melter targets the core of the planet causing more active rotation and volcanic activity to increase mass on the surface. Increase heat on the planet, thus melting the ice in to an ocean at the same time, with increase energy, the magnetic forces becomes stronger balancing the lighter core and increase surface. Due to the large amount of h2o on the surface, the volcanic activity is largely hidden from orbit since its underwater mostly.

That's the most logic conclusion I can think of. At the end, millions of years later, the planet will probably self-destruct and tear itself apart. Hell, by then we have 10 dyson planets.


That is NOT logical. Besides The Mass Surface Melter itself, you would not increase ANY mass of the planet. Seeing as to increase its Mass you would have to take a pile of water with you to throw on the planet. Mass does not = Weight or size

I like the idea that an expanded core and a larger atmosphere form.

or

That it is not actually water.

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Valocis wrote:
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The Mass surface melter targets the core of the planet causing more active rotation and volcanic activity to increase mass on the surface. Increase heat on the planet, thus melting the ice in to an ocean at the same time, with increase energy, the magnetic forces becomes stronger balancing the lighter core and increase surface. Due to the large amount of h2o on the surface, the volcanic activity is largely hidden from orbit since its underwater mostly.

That's the most logic conclusion I can think of. At the end, millions of years later, the planet will probably self-destruct and tear itself apart. Hell, by then we have 10 dyson planets.


That is NOT logical. Besides The Mass Surface Melter itself, you would not increase ANY mass of the planet. Seeing as to increase its Mass you would have to take a pile of water with you to throw on the planet. Mass does not = Weight or size

I like the idea that an expanded core and a larger atmosphere form.

or

That it is not actually water.


Think about it. If the core mass was solid, moving very slow, and it starts to heat up by the Mass surface melter, causing it to move faster. The faster it moves, the hotter it gets, the more liquidify the core gets, that means its spewing out to the surface. Having a rare and exotic artifact, this process is instantaneously sped up. With lava from volcanos spewing more mass on the surface, and melting the ice, this means the planet does get bigger.

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Valocis wrote:
Oakland Blocks wrote:
The Mass surface melter targets the core of the planet causing more active rotation and volcanic activity to increase mass on the surface. Increase heat on the planet, thus melting the ice in to an ocean at the same time, with increase energy, the magnetic forces becomes stronger balancing the lighter core and increase surface. Due to the large amount of h2o on the surface, the volcanic activity is largely hidden from orbit since its underwater mostly.

That's the most logic conclusion I can think of. At the end, millions of years later, the planet will probably self-destruct and tear itself apart. Hell, by then we have 10 dyson planets.


That is NOT logical. Besides The Mass Surface Melter itself, you would not increase ANY mass of the planet. Seeing as to increase its Mass you would have to take a pile of water with you to throw on the planet. Mass does not = Weight or size

I like the idea that an expanded core and a larger atmosphere form.

or

That it is not actually water.


I think what he means is a shift of mass from the core to the surface, thereby increasing the mass at the surface but at the same time decreasing the mass at the core. Which i don't think would be a good thing...

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