I ran a small legion pre-base. I know what its like to help out those that are having trouble making ends meet. Bottom line is this though: If you can't afford it, you shouldn't have it. There is NO WAY a base should be cheaper than a SINGLE ship.

This coming from the number one legion the dysonian's go to for back up against bases lol

Can y'all quit complaining about the fact that it was the Dysonians who brought this up? Think about it from the attackers point of view:
If it costs more to upkeep then bases are going to be weaker
This means YOU get to farm higher level bases.
Which means YOU can get better raids.

You are all so narrow minded. Think about an idea before saying "-1, it hurts my legion" because guess what? It benefits you as much as them.

They're not going to get it thunderbolta. They're too hung up on the Dyso hatred.

And by actually realizing what we mean and agreeing with it, you will now become a hated outcast as well, dragging VG down with you...

I see the pro's to this idea but i still don't agree with it dysonians are one in a few legions that constantly target level 5 bases they see more level 5 bases than anyone else just because they come accross a solid base every now and then doesnt mean they still can't farm the majority of what they hit.
AND base battles NEED organized if you have up to 4 legions and are organized enough a level 5 base is nothing im sure dan didnt design it to be easy.
I like the system the way it is ( HARD ) battles need organized teamwork and picking your target's wisely upping upkeep on every legion's base's i just don't agree with.

p.s If i got a continuum parser i would be extremely happy and grateful and proud of earning it

this is a good solution!

if lone lycan had posted it my veiw would not change.

Ahh, but that's the beauty of it. He isn't a Dysonian. So half of the -1's here would be invalid.

he is still high rank in a high legion

I dont like the idea of base upkeep being flatly increased without something to counter the rise.

My legion has a level 6 base. We have purchased almost every singly artifact possible to get to max it out. Most of our higher level players have ALL the tech needed to build the base.
None of our base has been built from outsiders, its all done by the sweat of our own brow.

And frankly, its freaking expensive.

Oh, we can afford it, but its not a small matter. Increasing the upkeep futher would very much be a kick in the teeth i would rather do without. Many of our members are in that akward spot between having mostly maxed tech but not able to sell research, and thus have basically no cash spare.

However, I DO completly agree about the problem with low level legion bases using tech they dont have. For the most part, the basic upkeep alone is too much for them to afford, but if we take the example of the level 1k buffing them, dropping in a couple of hundred bill isnt outside the realms of possibility.

There is also the issue of legions with one high member, and many low levels. THis is actually fairly common.

My suggestion is to limit tech based upon two points.
First, Tech only functions if somone in the legion has the research complete.
Second, Tech upkeep is reduced, the more people people have it researched.

This means that if one member of the legion has maxed the base, it will be very expensive, but if say 5 people have researched it, the price will be the current amount.

My two cents, anyway.
Good luck all.

Ok I know a lot of people won't like this, but I will give my veiw for what it is worth. I think the base system is fine as it is, as it resembles real life. There are a lot of countries that would never have the defenses they do if it wasn't for someone else selling it to them and installing it. So if they can afford it they get it and they have no shortage of people willing to service it for the right price. Why should it be any different here? Imagine thousands of years in the future when man has these technologies, do you think it would be any different?? Honestly?

But... this isn't real life.

This isn't a bad compromise. A large part of the original idea of raising the upkeep was to combat uber-bases in legions that don't have the tech to build them. Although, I would say 10 people to bring the upkeep to the current (or slightly modified) level.

We can tell people over and over again that its unfair for them but since they are afraid of the change and they do benifit from the current system. I think I'm beggining to see how it looks for them and I said to myself: "why do I bother telling these guys what's good for them if they don't like it."

I really believe that nothing would change right now. Its a game and whatever the game master says is the rule of the game. We can complain and give suggestions but if the game master does not agree it won't reeally matter.

I really like the current system right now as a base were only paying 16 billion per day but with our current technology and rank were getting close to 70k artifact points.

I love the way that lower ranked players or legions will not be able to disable the DYSONIAN base since its it has the highest stats and if a ship with less than 15k defense I'm pretty sure the base will bite the damage cap on their ships.

I love the fact that I already have all the base loot I want and extra silver badge to improve my planet defense.

I also love the idea that there is no change in loot for rank 5 6 7 base crate, I lessens the motivation of any legion solo or combined from trying to disable our uber base because its just a big waste of energy and resources.

Why the heck am I advocating for the system to change when it completly benefits me.

I therefore withdraw my previous position on the matter I want the current sytem to be unchanged. Low upkeep,same base battle mechanics, same base silver badge distribution and same base crate loot.

EDit: Removed sensitive issues because I respect all cultures and don't wish to offend any one.

Remric, seriously man.

Comparing your argument to the spread of democracy and those who do not accept it to islamic law is just playing dirty.

i DO agree people are afraid of change. This was not the right way to explain it.

Pointing out that lower level players cant disable the dysonian base is also unrelated to the point, as even if upkeep was 20x higher, i have no doubt you could keep it running. Any changes here would not change the ability of low level players to kill the base.

Personally, if i agree with you or not about your points i appreciate you always working to come up with ways to improve the game. Seriously, keep up the great work. But please dont play dirty with your arguments.


Edited to sound less agressive. Sorry man, but seriously. Democracy and islamic law?

I think he was being sarcastic, but you do have a point.

no offense with the islamic law.

I have lots of friends that are muslim and in our country we celebrate islam holidays and tradition although we are a demoracy and non muslim,

I was pointing out on the context of change not the previous.

In my opinion, defense should always have the advantage.
With base battles, it's once sided. Therefore, bases need to be brick walls in order to defend themselves, because more then one legion can attack a base without that base having more then one base to defend itself with.
Once again, I can see the point coming from the attackers stand point, but not all legions participate in base combat, and not all legions actually give a damn about base raids.
You say the artifacts are valuable to you, correct?
So, if you could get these artifacts easier, what would be so special about them?

These are the quotes that opened my mind on retracting my old point of view. Woke up and realized that not everyone want the bases. So it does not really matter that we are the only ones who are getting the loot.


Nothing should change regarding the base its perfect the way it is right now

And I'm not being sarcastic about it. That's my real point of view now.

Keep it on topic please. Trying to enjoy the sun, sand , and beautiful ladies at the beach. Don't make whip out the vacation ban hammer!!!