This topic is full of fail and lols. As those that know me, I dont take sides often and I wont be taking any this time.

So often on the forums/game people are happy to ignore issues or flaws untill its will effect them or has affected them. Even before the so called "titans" clashed to take out lv7 bases (on both sides). The issue of halcs/amps etc was brought up before regarding bases etc and was met by opposition from both sides.

So never before has this ben more appropriate,



Now you can complain as much as you like, but bottom line is as someone already mentioned, Dan already said "no" to one side when this issue came to his attention, he cannot go and say "yes" to the other side now that its a issue/threat to them. Theres already enough threads/rumors etc on favoritism and this would add fuel to the fire and one of those rare times where such arguements will be justified.

Hell, again going back to the issue of people being hypocrites, there was a massive flame war/debate etc over last time Dan went back on his decision word and again the same partys are involved. Remember all that? You really think Dan will do that again aswell as having a side order of justified favoritism to go with it?

So basically the moral of this thread is, all sides need to seriously consider what they protest for and against for in future, to put your egos aside and look past what benefits you/puts your rivals at a disadvantage and consider the what ifs and future.

This thread should be stickied and locked as a reminder and warning for the future.

I used it initially not thinking it would work ... When it did I didn't think anything of it, but didn't use it in future battles.

This is exactly what I predicted though ... They'll whine and cry when we use it, then say "Either we get to use it too or else Dan is playing favorites". Sad, you can't take out the bases normally. If you can, prove it.

It may not have been good to be able to use these when this mess started. I admitted that, I never thought I'd even be able to use it.

It's hypocritical for y'all to continue using it after making this topic. What you're doing is the same thing as saying "That guy robbed a bank once. I should be allowed to rob a bank. Otherwise, it's the law playing favorites" ...

Anyways, enjoy your victories Dominion, they truly are worthless, just like y'all said ours were when this happen.

Man up ...

It's game dynamics.
I don't care if Dysonians used it.
It requires 24 cool down and coordination. All within game play.

The flaw may be in your perception or ... will you say the developer is incompetent every time something doesn't suit you?

Plamok

What the crap are you talking about robbing banks? Can you come up with a worse metaphor?

When did you ever write that you thought it was wrong to use the calming amp and wouldn't use it again. Quite the opposite, a direct quote from you:

"If y'all want bases to be PvP, then we should be able to debuff bases as well. You cannot debuff a base. Therefor, it is a little reconciliation to be able to have a halcyon trap or calming amp up if you qualify for it.

So, if y'all want people fighting bases to be unable to use halcyons or calming amps, then there should be an artifact to debuff bases as well."

At least try to remember what you write and make an effort to read what everyone else has written, that way you don't sound like such an idiot.

Sec allow me to fix it for him.

"That guy robbed a bank, the bank complained and the law said it's ok, not against the law. The bank robbed the guy back, the guy complained, the law has yet to released a offical statement"

There.. I think that correctly summarises the situation using that metaphor example.

Finally, a Dysonian with a spine. That's the type of talk I would expect from a legion looking to be challenged. Your fellow legion mates could learn a thing from you.

I can't remember where I said it, it wasn't in this topic. The quote you quoted was after y'all were saying it was PvP and we started down that path. If you notice my very first post here, I clicked it thinking it wasn't going to work, was just clicking for the heck of it and figured if it worked it worked and if not then it didn't. As for my personal belief, I still believe that it shouldn't be allowed (even if I did use it the first time that provoked this topic, it shouldn't have worked).

The reference to robbing was the fact that it isn't (or shouldn't be) allowed.

I have read what everyone else has written. The bottom line is y'all do this every single time. Y'all yell at us for exploits, skirting around rules, controlling Dan's ban hammer, etc ... and then when y'all turn around and do it, suddenly everything should be alright because we did it once.

Do you not see the hypocrisy in that?

I'll repeat again in a simpler way for you:

Player A does something wrong. Player B yells at Player A and says it needs to be fixed. Player B repeats what Player A did. Player B then says "Either we should be allowed to do it, or else the Leader is biased towards Player A".

In case you don't understand that quote, that is a Lose-Lose statement for the Leader. If they do nothing, a bad thing stays. If they change it, then they are accused of playing favorites.

Y'all put this in Issues & Support. Y'all screamed y'all's heads off about how bad it was. Now you're saying "Dan better not change it or else he is playing favorites with the Dysonians"!?

Can you get much more hypocritical?

most funny bit of this WAR game is that there is 50+k players (which gives us over 1k legions (guessing count is way higher)) but the actual war is within top 10 legions
thats actually reason why i wouldent want to join top legions, its just ruining fun of this game... and its sad...
and again, its fun to read flame wars and it dose a good job in catching some bugs tho

Nobody below the top few Legions would be able to find players from Legions hitting their Base anyway, so this is only a concern for maybe 10 Legions. And yeah, I can't wait to get back to sitting in my corner and forgetting about the rest of the galaxy.

you have point there... even if they can,they cant do nothing much about it...
(sorry my english is a bit too short to get your last sentence... word games in english do tend to kick me back in corner "i dont understand")

Both sides are being equally hypocritical, spanning over a few weeks.

IMO, and im sure i'll be flamed for this, "most" people speaking for and against from both sides are being very pathetic on the issue. These changes happened in September, it wasnt till the end of last year/start of this month, that the sides started to yell across there opinion on the matter. Why? Because its now become a threat to them and one that leaves them helpless to combat.

The issue was around for months and regardless of what some have said or will say, more then afew were aware of it from both sides. Posts (Topics too but indirectly) have been made since day 1 bringing up the issue in some shape or form. But neither side cared about it then or saw the potential it could bring. Basically, to both sides lol tough luck? Prehaps a reminder that neither of you are god's and are vulnerable to flaws/intended designs and changes like the rest.

There are people, lot of them in the top 10, who test each patch to all possiabilitys, secrets etc dont stay hidden in GL or from the forum (unless a gamebreaking/obvious cheat)

Dan has been aware of this "issue" awhile now, and maybe even before this topic brought it to light more so. In his post he never said it was a bug or a glitch, and hasnt since then, nor any comment on it being changed or fixed.

So you can assume that this "issue" is most likely not a issue but a intended design, as "most" "issues" bugs and glitchs get fixed often within a few days of being brought up. And since this has been around since September and no fix has been mentioned or in sight, you can assume one isnt coming. (Unless hardcore QQ goes on for months.)

Looking at it like that, you COULD see potenial favoritism should this be addressed out of no where/soon. Been around since september, "smaller/less known" players previously bringing it up, one side bringing it up with a statement from dan not mentioning if this was a bug or glitch and that no fix was on the way. Now, if the other side who now brings this up, gets a response/fix fast or a change of view/stance. Then yeah. You dont have to belong to any side to see whats wrong with that.

You both should settle this the best way you know how, take out each others base's, shoo.

Just to add a food for thought. You started this war to gain respect and prove to the game that you guys are just as good if not better than us. By using the amps, though at this point in time not ruled as an exploit, only loses the respect you could hope to gain.

But as Romah said, expoit or not!

Just have to join this.

When this was first brought up, no where did you or your group write that it was wrong and should be fixed. All I can go by is what has been written and documented here, not what you think you said somewhere else. What you wrote was "I see it as 50/50 whether it should work or not." and later "If y'all want bases to be PvP, then we should be able to debuff bases as well. You cannot debuff a base. Therefor, it is a little reconciliation to be able to have a halcyon trap or calming amp up if you qualify for it. So, if y'all want people fighting bases to be unable to use halcyons or calming amps, then there should be an artifact to debuff bases as well." geez don't you even know what your argueing for when you write?

No, I don't think it's hypocritical to use this tactic after this post when we were told it was part of the game and wasn't going to be changed and we knew it was going to be used against us again. Let me make an attempt at an analogy: Two guys are in a boxing match. During the fight one of them starts punching below the belt. After the fight the guy being hit below the belt asks the official not to allow hitting below the belt. The official says that it's ok and the rules won't be changed. So, now these guys are fighting again. Why wouldn't the guy who got hit below the belt also start hitting the other guy below the belt when he knows that guy will use the same tactic and the officials say it's not a foul.

Lol. What IS hypocritical is using a tactic then saying there is nothing wrong with it. Then when it's going to be used against you start complaining how it's unfair and cheating.

Sounds like Dan thinks not. I agree, which is why I didn't use it a second time. So, no I was not being hypocritical.

Do what you want Frail, but y'all didn't like it when we did it. So, taking out bases using this en masse is not impressive, sorry. I don't think it should have worked when I did it; it did, nothing I can do about that. You have a choice. You've chosen to do the very thing you all yelled about.

Not going to argue with you anymore. You are no better than a politician; "You must follow the rules. However, I can go against the rules because of [excuse]".

If you had read more you would know that you weren't the only one using it against NI. And saying that you didn't use it again doesn't make it so. Whether you did or not, I don't know. But, from all your contradictions, I wouldn't take anything you say at face value. Again, I point out nowhere did you write that you thought it was wrong to use them. On the contrary, you wrote supporting their use. Again, I can only go by what you wrote and not what you say you thought after the fact.

And again with the nonsensical analogies. You should stop using them since it shows you have no grasp of the content of these discussions.

well let me add my useless 2 cents!!!!


They should be fixed one way or the other. I think its the same as attacking a planet and the same rules should applied.....

will I cry wolf if u se it now no, go ahead its a flaw in the game Dan overlooked...... Flaws happen all the time, it how we use them that build character.

I have not been paying much attention lately to the game and never noticed or honestly gave this matter much thought until last night when I hear so many crying over it. However I do not engage in base combat every day been busy with other games and matter in life.


However I do support the topic I posted about base combat. And actions should be taken so that nuls and haclogen are ignored in base combat the same as they are on planets.

will I get mad if you use this flaw on our base not one bit at all, go for it.... Do I think it needs to be addressed by Dan yes!!!!!

And if I was paying more attention to the game I would have spoken out about the matter when NI base was attacked but that's my fault for not caring about this game as much anymore, so I am sorry for not speaking up sooner.

In any even good luck....

And hopefully with next months updates Dan will consider looking at the mater more closely.

I agree with this guy. We should be able to spam debuffs on bases if we lose the ability to use halc/calm amps.

We should not be able to spam debuffs, that's not what I said. I do think there should be some ability to debuff, but not spam. Do not put words in my mouth.

I do think we should be unable to halc/calm amp under bases.

Last comment to Frail: I'm on my phone, so I can't search my posts. As I said, I don't remember where I said it, but perhaps it was not on the forum. You can believe me or not, but the battles after I found out I could use it, Helios6, Lothair, DarkRevenant, all enjoyed throwing debuffs at me because I did not halc or calm amp. Bottom line, it shouldn't be an acceptable tactic. That's what I have been saying this whole time. I won't comment on my earlier posts because my guess is that I was being half sarcastic half serious, I don't recall. I can see where that causes confusion. However, I still maintain (as I have since the beginning and also as indicated by my not using them after my accident) that they should NOT be used. I DO think some sort of debuff would be useful (not spam, just something minor, but helpful). Both should be implemented: no halc/calm amp, yes minor debuff.