I feel I should clarify my very first statement. I stated 50/50 whether it should work.

I still think it should not. However, bases are still half npc and half pvp. It's a legion's base, but you don't interact with players. I think you should not be able to use it because you affect the players indirectly. However, given its half npc nature I can see and half think that there is some merit to the idea of using it. I wouldn't use it though and would rather us not be able to use it, but have some minor debuff (as mentioned in my second post).

That is my "50/50" thought ... Hopefully that clarifies my position for those of you that did not see it. If not, I'm not sure what else you want me to tell you ...

Just about every dysonian on this thread has said how it's an unacceptable tactic and that NO-ONE should use it.

Just a question Dysonians, Does Nocifer speak for your legion's actions? because he's stated that he'll be 'forced' to instruct the legion to use this cheap and underhanded method. Not sure how he'll be forced into it other than "they've got it easier than we have, let's just copy them for a bit until it's not usable" but still, Does he actually have any say on your actions? or is he your insane leader that you just keep in the basement

My two cents from someone that has probably been on base defense more than the rest of the people in here:

Base defense isn't very fun if people are allowed to be pvp immune. Base offense isn't very fun if people are NOT allowed to be pvp immune. The issue would seem to be solved best by allowing people to calming amp but also to add in new game methods of base defense so the defending players don't seem so useless.

simplest solution I can come up with is a base module that would reduce standard base attack (probably by a large percentage) but give the defending legion a base action that would do damage to attacking ships (maybe a random ship skewed towards the highest damagers) based on defenders attack score + some base buff for energy cost. The tradeoff being that if you don't have enough ships on to defend your base would actually be weaker but could be more challenging with strong ships online. Also energy wouldn't be totally efficient on defense to balance the fact that the offense still has to overcome the standard base defense.

Pathetic #$*# whining non stop, Afraid of their mighty base going down soon, They know they are next and are whining non stop to get Yet another advantage. They abuse lag on here like a kid eating candy and yet when someone else does their the cheaters, when they use calming amps non stop its ok, but when someone else does its the end of the world and its time to change it asap before their base goes down. I been using a calming amp for a week now because I got tired of pvp and I was not involved in the base hit last night nor do I do any damage worth talking about anyways lol yet when I woke up this morning I had the moron XxexterminatorxX target me and send whine msgs to me saying how pathetic i was for using a halc. I suppose they were going after anyone from our alliance.
I only speak for myself and like I said I'm just a small fry in this great alliance, but I feel what goes around comes around, " eye for an eye" so to speak. U guys had 2-3 people use halc traps on us then had a dozen use them against NI and u all had np with it then including that cheater Noci. Now that your 2 allies have had their bases go down and you know you are next u are crying like babies, It is really sad and pathetic seeing this. I would of admired you guys if u just said bring it on, but u chose to #$&*@ like babies and change your stories ( especially Noci). I tell u what though, after u go down I'll be more then open to agree with u about the base thing being changed possibly. Till then sit down, stfu and get your butts kicked and accept it.n Accept it that Dominon will do 80-90% of the work and accept it that u guys needed your allies to do their share to have a chance.
Oh if u want to #$&*@ about something else, I could say how I don't agree with GP going from 6 fixers to 17 fixers after the base was locked. I think Dan should look into and consider if it should be changed that u are not allowed to get the benefits of a fixer after your base is locked by an enemy.
You guys want everything your way like babies, I wonder who is gonna quit from #$*# after your base goes down and u can't touch many people due to calming amps?:P

You know what Penguin.... STFU... We watched the Dominion do the same friggin thing last week when they went from about 10 up close to 25. WITHOUT COMPLAINING ABOUT IT. I have gotten SO SICK of the whining and crying hypocritical condescending BULL***T coming from the keyboards of JUST ABOUT EVERY SINGLE PERSON from The Dominion and their YEE-AH BOI! Mickey Mousketeer fanclub.




We have 3 partners that work together on bases EVERY 8 HOURS doing a relatively equal portion of the damage. How many allied legions did you have last night?? 5? 8? 11?? Then you turn around and say Dominion pretty much did all the work... Sounds like you're saying "FU allies... WE DON'T NEED YOU BECAUSE WE'RE SO AWESOME WE CAN DO IT ON OUR OWN"

True statement ^

Good try. Unless u been under a rock the past month u are aware that a lot of the top players from several Legions of this alliance left their Legion to Join 1 super Legion. So a lot of these Legions lost a lot of their top fire power, Roo maybe the most. I woke up to get a drink and see what happened and was also very impressed by the Dominion dominating the Leader board in damage. I forget the stats now, but it was something like 30 out of the top 32 was by them. That does not mean that others doing anywheres from 500-20k damage did not mean nothing. Against the PA I did 950 damage, refused to use a tri since I was 300 xp from leveling and I was taking 1k damage to 20 on them:(. There are still a few heavy hitters with us, supernova and several other of the Legions in the alliance. However to sit there whining and making any excuses u want to make to puff your internet chest out some more is just funny and sad. To say Dominion needed 8 Legions to take them down is just pathetic punk talk. They don't need my little help, the heavy hitters left in the other Legions can still do some damage, but they don't need their help either. When u spent that much artifacts and/or money doing 1m and 2m+ damage, You will succeed no matter what. So if it makes u happier to know that 7 other Legions did anywheres from 20-20k damage( there was a lot of 2k damage hitters ) then so be it and fluff out that internet chest:P. I forget the stats now, but I do recall after Dominion having the top 32 spots out of 34 or something like that, they went and had another 10 out of the next 15 spots.
Those that were online wanted to do anything they could do to help, but anyone worth their salt knows that Dominion could of done it 100% themselves. This is the pure fact of it and nothing more.

1. (n.) precedent
an act or instance that may serve as an example or justification for subsequent situations.

LOL, we like our friends. Did we need them to crush the UN base? Nah. But they helped and saved us consumables for that next base. So for that I am grateful. Also most of our allies asked to be a part of it. Did they got much out of it? Probably not, they spent a ton of consumables just like we did for paltry rewards when we could have just farmed a ton of 5's for a month and gotten much better rewards out of it.

Why do you have GP and UN helping you guys? I saw the battle reports from those base battles and subsequent ones. Only two players are heavy hitters from either one and you could just drop the other two legions in reality and take those bases yourselves. so why have these other legions around?

I know the answer to that, but I wonder if your so-called allies have any idea whatsoever to the answer to that......

But let me remind the dysonians who seem to not understand where the dominion comes from even though its been explained to them 50 times.

The dominion IS every single one of these legions.

I am GD. Just like some are dark side, or some are ROO, or some are NI or some are PA, we are all from these various legions who the dysonians are confused about....

I know this is a difficult concept for those with one digit IQ's...but let me rehash this once again.

The dominion is a collection of heavy hitters from every single of these legions. So if we are all a "all star team" of these legions, you have to wonder for a second what the point of dysonians coming here and trying to sow discord is going to accomplish.

In many cases, we are leaders or were officers or had influence in our respective legions. So in that essence, what is sowing discord actually going to accomplish?

LOL, I will tell you, nothing. We are all a big happy family and we welcome the family into the party of taking down battlestar dysonian with open arms because some of the heavy hitters stayed behind to man the fort and why should they miss the party simply because they stayed behind to man the fort?

So in essence, if someone wants to join in on the take-down of the biggest babies this game has ever known, just let us know. I am sure we can find a spot for you so that you can also share in the glory of watching DEEP SPACE NINE burn in fiery glory and in the righteous anger of these angry pests who now claim we are exploiting after using this same technique for a month.

Maybe the unknown and GP will be welcomed back into the happy family someday.

But for the pirates of the cove, you will burn. Sorry, but there is no coming back from the fiery brimstone that you have subjected yourself to. May God and the salty seas have mercy on your slimy souls.

You are seriously demented. Keep on trucking.



Here is a number plate it fits:

Hrm, I am now demented. I think I will accept the compliment. Next.

Happy family? Happy family of mathematically challenged butthurts... FFS, you guys can't even agree on which legions or how many were even involved in taking out Enigma X... What happened when GP's base got disabled? ODragon (GP's most visible member on the forums) posted IMMEDIATELY "Good Job, Congrats." What happened when TU's base got disabled? I (arguably TU's most visible as well as Leader) posted BEFORE it was finalized "Good Job, Congrats." What happened when RoO got beat? Everyone (including us) #$&*@ about how easy it was. Fixed within 8 hours. What happened when Ni's base was disabled? Everyone and their brother outside of our battle group was crying "this is #&$#" "they're cheating" blah blah blah. What happened when PA's base got disabled? Same thing. More "#&$#!" and "Cheaters!"

I find it simply incredible that you guys really can't see it... Everything you have accused The Dysonians of for the last 16 months, you have truly become. A pack of nose-in-the-air, we-don't-need-anyone, we'll-do-what-we-f'in-want-and-you-can't-stop-us, crybaby jackwads. I used to have respect for quite a number of the members of The Dominion, but your behavior, attitude, hypocrisy and condescension has pretty well ruined that. So you disabled GP's base. Big deal. GP didn't cry and complain about it. They repaired and moved on. So you disabled TU's base. Big deal. WE didn't cry and complain about it. We repaired and are moving on. Were we both disappointed? Sure, but in the end, does it mean anything? Not really.

We are GD. We are Dark Side. We are RoO. We are Ni. We are PA. If you guys are SO proud of your "real" legions, why didn't you come at us from there? Right there is 5 legions that could have BP'd and taken us out. Instead you've got to get all your big shots together and go one at a time at our bases. Big whoop... Want to have a sense of accomplishment? Do three level 7's in four locks without pacifying. Then we'll talk over some Galaxy Ale in the Pub.

Guys.... Get a grip....

You took on ROO's base, and Ni's base and PA's base hidden behind those pacifying effects. I just find it funny that the tune changes so much so quickly when all of a sudden its your base that is subjected to what you call an exploit. Dan was aware of it and he never called it an exploit.

Are you saying that its not a real kill if members are pacified? If so, then no one has ever killed a level 7 base, ergo your beloved tri-whatever hasn't killed a thing either. Gogo now, start over from scratch.

When you talk in contradictions, it really backfires....so start over yourself. That is why so very few people congratulated you in the first place. If you had congratulated us sincerely we might have been a little more beneveolent in victory and not been laughing at your hypocrisy and insane ramblings like seen here. Who the heck cares? We argued for the changes back when it mattered and nothing got changed. Your side actually did not argue to get it changed, so when it did not get changed and your side continued to hide behind calming amps and hitting you guys while you hit a base was pointless, why in the world should we continue doing so?

I love this thread, so where is your popcorn man munching on popcorn when I want him. The drama is priceless, long live drama!!

Lol, seriously.

Get your facts straight. Why don't you look over the bragging post that Noc started when NI's base was disabled. What do you know. I was gracious and congratulated everyone on the effort. And at the same time I didn't go around chest thumping writing how great it was and all the other crap you do when we disabled your base.

Since you like to minimalize other peoples accomplisment and grandize your own. Let's look at what you did. You took out ROO when they had 7 fixers and there was a bug with the dmg cap. You took out NI when we had 6 fixers and didn't prepare since we thought there was a bug with the dmg cap, and even then some of you guys were pacified. And I was generous in saying you since the dysonians did 80 percent of the dmg. I swear from all the crap that you write, you sound like some dysonian's second account.

In my opinion putting together a strong legion to take on the strongest legion is much more of an accomplisment than allying with the strongest legion then riding their coattails then bragging all the way. When you can take out a level 7 base without the dysonians help, then you might have something to brag about. Until then your just a lackey.

Wow, seriously wow. I like this guy. Send em to Davy Jones's Locker with 100 years before mast.

Dan
Dan
Dan

I just wanted to say the name "Dan." I want to use it like we are best friends or bowling buddies. I figured if I say his name enough, he will side with my beliefs and bend the game in my direction. I could use another natural Dyson; preferably a 40 mega artifact. Thanks pal. Next rounds on me!

See Noci is the pimp and GP and TU are the hoes. One of the best pimping techniques a pimp uses on his ho (besides the pimp hand) is the business partner trick. You see a pimp will let his ho believe that they are equivalent business partners, that they are all equal. When in fact the hoes use their time, energy, and womanly *ahem* resources hustling the tricks for the money easing the burden of the pimp who now has more energy and resources to do other things.

Pimpin IS easy if you got the skills. Congrats Noci, game recognizes game.

This thread has become too much reading. Lets all just tap out on this one please. Please Please Please Please Please

Most of us can agree that there are people who really shouldn't talk on here when they are angry.

I am embarrased at the way I act sometimes on here. I think alot of us can say that about ourselves. I am gonna go back to trying to leave my biased opinion out.

Sheldon is not pleased...

I support this: "player taking offensive action against base shouldn't be able to activate any calm amps and halc". There really isn't any fun in base combat when offenders have those on during the whole combat. Doubt if it should even be called "COMBAT". Honestly I don't see any challenge in it if this goes on. That's the only time to waste thousand of CMs and debuffs collected over time really. Not sure when Dan can fix this issue. Meanwhile, I need help from those planning to take our base to clear off my cargo. Will you stay on our log and have fun without calm amps and halc? We did help you guys out last time, at least around 10 of you guys for me. Wish you could feel the same experience and excitement you gave us. See ya all soon

First off, I would like to say I disagree with removing this strategy from the game. Bases are not players and when you attack one you should be able to use a halycon. I even suggested this strategy to the opposition, see page 2.

That being said, I think there should be changes. Remember all those threads about protecting your base, guarding like a planet etc. Those are the changes I would like to see. Being able to attack the legions who are attacking your base should be allowed, not through the battle tab, but through the base. Similar to that of a planet. They are coming "close" to your base you should be able to hit them back. The link to the legion that locks your base already appears, just put attack buttons on the legion list. And like planets, halycons and calming amps, 0 actions should not be be preventive. Your legion locked a base it is an offensive action by your legion and thus should leave everyone in your legion up for a whacking, even that low level planet trader.



As for all this crap about TU and GP being lackeys...honestly what do you care? It works for all legions involved. Is your alliance any better? Probably not, all I see is Dominion players saying they are better than the rest and that they don't need the others. I have been in TU for less than 2 weeks and I feel more comradery than I did in my old legion. There are some aspects that are less so, such as npcs, but honestly that just teaches you to be better.

I also see a lot of the dominion players saying they are their old legions. Does that mean you take down the dysonians base and go back? You forged a powerful legion, why break it apart and make 5 weaker ones again? You already treat the others like they are inferior to you, just embrace it fully.