Ok so the nature of the game or at least some of it is in essence in the name , Galaxy LEGION.

So in my opinion people that are in a legion and loyal to the legion need to be able to trade or share ANY RESOURCE they may have with any other members in the legion.

There are alot of things one can not share or give, and I dont see where this fits in the game. If Dan is trying to stop people from jumping legions and being able to give to anyone I can see that, But we really need to be able to give anything we have to our legion members....

Maybe so people cant just "work" the system, maybe have a 30 day Loyalty ALL SHARES AVAILABLE option.

so you want to trade permabuffs for your ship... why not make a couple multis, put em in your legion, keep em active, and then once the 30 days is up they can supply you with ship bots, prisoners, even hard to get npc rewards or mission rewards that youve run out of...

i know its hard to get some of the stuff in the game, but it adds a challenge to it! i mean, if you could buy anything at any time in this game, it wouldnt be fun because you have everything at your disposal. no matter how long the time limit you set on these untradeable items becoming tradeable, remember, multis are owned by the same person. it dosnt matter how long it is, be it instantaneous, or a year after joining... the patient cheater will find a way to exploit this.

Vekno thats the point,,,cheaters will ALWAYS CHEAT, but that doesnt mean that the rest of us should suffer for that, heck people in the states , some are on welfare, do some MILK the system? yes they do, BUT the system is there anyway because it serves the greater good.

Maybe your mindset is in multis and such,,, mine isnt,,, its more on the lines of if your gona be a legion, then be a full integradable legion,,, will some find a way to WORK the system as your thoughts pointed out? of course, but that should not stop the greater good of legion members giving and sharing to other legion members,,, and keep in mind, everyone still has to either buy arts with gp points or manufacture them, Im simply suggesting that this really be a LEGION

I kinda like this idea. Stuff you get from missions should not be sendable though, same with energy cubes and tri emblems from daily reward.

If it is obtained from a npc, then let it be trade-able. Same with all the artis obtained from collecting arti points.

I apologize if this insults you, but just from the few threads that I've seen you post on, I can so totally see that your mind-set is "You're right, and anyone who disagrees is either wrong, or an idiot"

you may be right that stuff should be tradable if you're in a legion, but Vekno is right that this will just be abused by multies. until you open your eyes to the possibility that more than one person can be right at a time and that it isn't you being right all the time, you're just gonna look like a twat.

-1 to your idea because of Multi-abuse AND the loss of revenue for Dan. by implimenting your idea, no one will need to buy terraformers or other gp artis because someone in their legion will have enough.

You obviously didnt read this whole thread bro. I actually aggreed with Vekno on thw mental part of cheaters,,, so your whole im right and everyone is wrong scenario has no grounds, and just to let you know we are trying to keep this a negative troll free zone so please avoid the obvious hater scenario with me for some reason.

And as far as Dan losing revenue? I dont think that you are really aware and up to date or even buy that much because if you did, you would know that no one buys half the arts that are listed in the gl points section anyway, there are several trade routes that most of us know, and Use, So again Im simply suggesting allowance of more freedom WITHIN ones own legion to be able to give and share to any member.

and Lets face it, the reality is,,, SOME people , like I aggreed with Veknos comment , are gona have multis and find a way to cheat the system no matter what with ANY game or thing in real life, because thats how some people just are,,, but again like I posted earlier the synnical mindset of not allowing freedom in ones own legion should not be the focus,,, Im suggesting that we have more POSITIVE AND OPTIMISTIC outlook on creative suggestions, not automaticaally assume the worst

but then again , this is the froum which is very unfortunate that people come troll with negative energy.

and this is not to offend you either, but comng in here, projecting the mind-set things you think i have? hehe well, like i said, you clearly did not read or understand what i said.

I dont come to these forums to be synnical, I come because for the most part, I try to suggest or add something positive and share it, thats it.

so please refrain from using words like twat or idiot, I did no such thing, you did. If your angry and want to vent , please dont do it on this thread, If you wana talk on the topic and post, great, Im all for it.

I did actually read the entire thread =), and in my own post I pointed out that I saw your mindset from a number of threads, not just this one. I think the thread that mostly gave me that impression was actually your base sale thread, that was a multitude of offers that you would pick the best one from, not an auction where highest offer wins.

I understood what you said in your posts, however being optimistic and allowing the majority of clean users to benefit from what you proposed, while simultaniously openning the way for multi-accounters to get even more unfair advantages is just a bad idea in my opinion.

and my use of idiot was for the mindset, it was even still within the "" so it wasn't for you =) and the use of twat wasn't calling you a twat, it was saying you're sorta looking like one from my perspective. but each to their own wording.


I'm a very reasonable person who will give +1s and reasons why when I see a good idea or a bad idea that's been adapted to something good. suggest a way to limit or negate multi-accounters from profiting from this, and you may has +1 cookie.

hehe ok Im not gona go round and round with you, although i do enjoy merry go rounds sometimes... common sense is that when you mentioned the words idot or twat, even mentioning those words in itself is a provoking of a possible negative flame thread. You know that, so thats all im gona say about that, and as far as my auction? Now that we are way off topic, and I clearly asked you if you would stay on topic, common sense also would be to PM me about any dissatisfactions you may have about others issues. Thats why Dan has made that specific feature..fyi. I had a great positive auction and went with the very best bidder, so sorry if you were not the winner.

As far as opening the door more to multi accounting, lets face it, thats not the only way people cheat, people can have lag switches which doesnt involve anything of what im suggesting, and there are even other skeems, I have heard alot of them and know of them, I have been around gaming a long time.

Which is why Im back to the original topic,,,Im suggesting SOME type of way to where legion members can trade and share with each other. No one is ever gona totally stop cheating, in fact If one plays any game, in my opinion they should play it because they enjoy it, not worry so much about all the BAD stuff that one can think of.

This is a very simple suggestion,,, see how other comments got off topic? thats why i didnt come in the forum for months, because of all the negative banter, and if i stay around it i get caught up in it too, its no good.

So I hope to hear others thoughts as I am open to hearing people that stay on topic, we have already heard the cons of multis,,,now hopefully there will be some PROS to this as well,

Pros-
*people within the legion can help each other out in a more beneficial way
*legionmates can open a new revanue stream in which they can get rid of their excess artifacts that arnt currently used by the ct lab
*ct lab artifacts will be much easier to obtain since all artifacts become tradeable
*higher rank ships can potentially be weakened by this if they decide to sell off things such as prisoners, xcharge cells, durtanium brackets, etc.
*higher rank ships can get the satisfaction of helping lower level members by giving mass quantities of artifacts away
*allows players to trade drops from npcs so they get what they need faster (for example, i still need one more xrp warp charge pack)

Cons-
*makes multiaccounting a much more lucrative venture (moreso than it already is)
*gives a higher probability of your planets being scanned and taken by higher ranks due to tradeability of purgers
*makes it more likely that the gap between high ranks and the rest of the game will be widened due to ability to purchase untradeable artifacts from legionmates for high prices
*makes lower ranks gain uber strength by obtaining unobtainable npc modules at their level
*allows ssbs to gain hull and shield at a much faster rate (i mention ssbs in particular because theyre already difficult to disable... no matter your rank.)

to me, the cons outweigh the pros... but thats just me.

Cheaters are gonna cheat, scammers are gonna scam. When I first started I seen one legion of 50 members, all leaders, all names the same with #s added, the legion was a few months old, I told my legion leader about it and I think he reported it (before I got on forums). Without the rules Dan has in place they would run the game, even with them they get advantages wherever they can. We do not want to open it up to allow them any new way of cheating, the honest members of this game will have it a lot harder without those rules than we do with them. That is my opinion on this.

1. This would ruin the fun of actually obtaining these items yourself = more people getting bored of this game quickly = less people playing it = more money out of dan's pocket
2. As said before, people would abuse it, no one wants to be in a cheater-friendly zone, because the next thing you know there would be level 100 ships with over 5k deck space and 2k attack etc.
3. This would encourage more people to create multis which is the exact thing many developers want to avoid
4. people wouldn't NPC hunt as hard, they would have multis hunting down the NPCs and the main getting to enjoy spending his energy freely
5. There's a defeinite reason why certain gp purchaseable items aren't tradeable: because they're the most valued, and dan wants to take advantage of that.

I wouldn't agree to this because the majority of us may not be cheaters, but there are those who will cheat the system badly, giving someone that much power could overthrow the entire PvP sytem quickly. People will eventually quit from frustration and GL will undergo a major popularity shift.

Given the current state of PvP, THAT might not be a bad thing... lol

+1 I highly aggree with this as there is an apparent deviation away from encouraging pvp, hence new defense mods and such.

If this continues, then all we will be doing is clicking drone npcs and an occasional base challenge, that to me would personally become very boring.

trust me darth, i was grasping at straws to attempt to find pros with this idea... and small ship builds (ssbs) not sabs. sabs are way to easy to kill.

Ah, yes... I see... I read sAb not sSb... My bad...

And yeah, I could tell there was some straw grasping going on

Honestly at this point, and of course in my opinion, I really dont think there are cons at this point, Ill tell you why....

The game needs to expand on a global scale,,, having all these capabilities within ones own legion will greatly ENCOURAGE new players as the vetrans can help them and get them going quicker, again this is just my opinion, but at the current growth point of the game and where its at? I honestly believe that its a very small portion of dedicated players right now,,,, will full legion help open the doors wide open for cheaters, of course, but maybe we can find a way to LESSON it.

I honestly think that at this point for the growth of the game and getting new poeple excited and joining,,, that from a global marketing perspective, the pros definitly outway the cons

The vets who already know the game will have to adapt, which is the nature of expansion and growth anyway, but This could be used as a very powerfull expansion growth for this game as a whole

if RADICAL change is not embraced, then growth tends to get stuck in a rut and fade away. The all too sad reality is that a cituation usually has to become extremely desperate before that happens, maybe Dan has enough players and people spending money to where he is content, I can not say for sure, however my gut feeling tells me that something has got to be done soo to radically change things all together for MILLIONS of players to get on board, or at least that would be my vision if I owned a game on facebook with a few hundred million potential players

ok, i understand this is your idea, and you want to see it go further. but it seems to me that you are unwilling to evolve your basic plan. I listed the pros that i could (and, it was very difficult) along with a list of cons. Now, if you wish to take the pros as reasons why this is good, then thats cool. but you cant just ignore the cons. instead of saying 'Honestly at this point, and of course in my opinion, I really dont think there are cons at this point', analyze the list of cons, and try to work a solution to them into your idea.

How about trading arts that came from a npc? like I got a gas igniter that I did not want while a legion mate got the erruption channeler...that I did want...I would like to be able to trade that specific item for his item from the same npc type.

OR have a way to use the CT lab to change one art to another

your usable artifact trades are intriguing... especially since theyre from npcs... unless you make a wingman multi, itll be rather hard to exploit.

what i think your saying, is that we have a system to trade untradeable artifacts as long as the trade is for equal value. ie, the gas ingiter for the eruption channeler... or say xcharge cells for durtanium brackets.

As far as the ct lab is concerned... as long as it isnt another discovery it would be nice.

while you pose an interesting point, i would say lets see where the galactic trade center takes this... it would be nice if this system was already in place. if its not, then perhaps dan can find a way to make this much harder to exploit. but this sounds like a good idea to me. however, there should still be artifacts that are untradeable. like rescued prisoners, mission artifacts, npc modules, stuff like that.