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 Composite Ray - Type A 
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Well, the last idea I had didn't seem to go far, so I had a new idea.

We have Composite Ray - Type S, C, D ... I know they all add Attack, but why not have a Type A?

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Composite Ray - Type A
Size: 13
Limit: 4 Composite Rays per ship
Effect: +80 Attack
Effect: Increases attack power by an additional +80 Attack
Cost: 304 Dark Badges


Simple, clean, efficient.

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I'd prefer a Type H (hull) but +1

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I'd prefer a type E but +1

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I don't like the idea of a weapon having an "additional effect" of having +80 attack, as it defeats the purpose of it being an "additional effect" imo.

Perhaps a new dark badge upgrade would be more worthwhile;

Composite NanoTube Ray's - Size:24 160 atk - 80 scan, 80 def or 120 cloak (Required Rank - 600)

+1 to the hull/energy ideas too.


Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:09 pm
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I don't like the idea of a weapon having an "additional effect" of having +80 attack, as it defeats the purpose of it being an "additional effect" imo.

+1 to the hull/energy ideas too.


It would be listed as just "If Composite Ray is Type A, the Attack bonus doubles" ... I don't know what weapon you're listing, this topic is for the current Composite Ray to have another Type that would seem appropriate (the 4 basic stats that you see on the left of the ship tab).

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kirkeastment wrote:
I don't like the idea of a weapon having an "additional effect" of having +80 attack, as it defeats the purpose of it being an "additional effect" imo.

+1 to the hull/energy ideas too.


It would be listed as just "If Composite Ray is Type A, the Attack bonus doubles" ... I don't know what weapon you're listing, this topic is for the current Composite Ray to have another Type that would seem appropriate (the 4 basic stats that you see on the left of the ship tab).


I understand that the reason you've suggested this is because Attack is the only one on the left of the ship not to be included for Composite Ray's.

Perhaps thats by design though, seeing as Attack is already the Primary focus of the Composite Ray's, hence its not needing a Type-A.

It is by design an attack module. Having it get an additional effect of +80 attack wouldn't make sense to me, mainly because if it were able to obtain this extra +80 attack, why wouldn't the weapons developers have just made it a +160 attack module to begin with and scrapped the designs for the +80 weapon.


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kirkeastment wrote:
I don't like the idea of a weapon having an "additional effect" of having +80 attack, as it defeats the purpose of it being an "additional effect" imo.

+1 to the hull/energy ideas too.


It would be listed as just "If Composite Ray is Type A, the Attack bonus doubles" ... I don't know what weapon you're listing, this topic is for the current Composite Ray to have another Type that would seem appropriate (the 4 basic stats that you see on the left of the ship tab).


I understand that the reason you've suggested this is because atk is the only one on the left of the ship not to be included for Composite Ray's, but perhaps thats because attack is already the primary focus of the Composite Ray's, hence its not needing a Type-A.

It is by design an attack module. Having it get an additional effect of +80 attack wouldn't make sense, because if it were able to obtain this +80 attack as a bonus, why wouldn't the weapons developers have just made it a +160 attack module to begin with.


The idea of the Composite Ray was that it gave the Attack and then you could choose a bonus on top of that attack ... why shouldn't there be an option to choose even more attack rather than defense, scan, or cloak?

This is sort of the reason I'm reluctant to post ideas so many times and in all honesty it's probably why so few ideas get implemented. People make outlandish suggestions that will never be implemented, have no real world basis, or would be breaking. Then, a modest suggestion comes around and the people that make outlandish suggestions bash the modest suggestion and derail the topic ... stop trying to pick apart a simple idea.

The Composite Ray Type H and Type E made sense and were decent suggestions ... all you're doing is complaining. This is not a rehashed old idea, but you've offered no construction to the topic (no constructive criticism, no constructive alternatives, nothing).

Troll somewhere else. The Suggestions forum needs people that can think of realistic ideas and needs realistic responses (whether those are negatives or positives). Just making a post with no substance is just a waste.

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Vette wrote:

The idea of the Composite Ray was that it gave the Attack and then you could choose a bonus on top of that attack ... why shouldn't there be an option to choose even more attack rather than defense, scan, or cloak?

This is sort of the reason I'm reluctant to post ideas so many times and in all honesty it's probably why so few ideas get implemented. People make outlandish suggestions that will never be implemented, have no real world basis, or would be breaking. Then, a modest suggestion comes around and the people that make outlandish suggestions bash the modest suggestion and derail the topic ... stop trying to pick apart a simple idea.

The Composite Ray Type H and Type E made sense and were decent suggestions ... all you're doing is complaining. This is not a rehashed old idea, but you've offered no construction to the topic (no constructive criticism, no constructive alternatives, nothing).

Troll somewhere else. The Suggestions forum needs people that can think of realistic ideas and needs realistic responses (whether those are negatives or positives). Just making a post with no substance is just a waste.


I wasn't trolling, and i've never actually done so. Thanks though for assuming that someone who wasn't looking from your viewpoint, could only be a troll, as that doesn't make you seem like a tool whatsoever.

I was preparing a post stating that why would weapons developers even bother making a +80 Composite ray if they were even capable of making a +160 composite ray. Then i was going to suggest that perhaps it could just be called the Twin Composite Ray.

I was then going to offer a suggestion that perhaps, we could get a +5% attack boost during PvP from a Composite Ray Type-A rather than just a flat bonus, since it seems people have complained recently that people under attack get all the good bonuses(xecti race bonus/gemini cannons/trinity drives), that its about time a module came along offering an advantage to the aggressor.

You wonder why people don't offer contructive criticism, and then berate someone else for trying to make a different viewpoint.


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kirkeastment wrote:
Vette wrote:

The idea of the Composite Ray was that it gave the Attack and then you could choose a bonus on top of that attack ... why shouldn't there be an option to choose even more attack rather than defense, scan, or cloak?

This is sort of the reason I'm reluctant to post ideas so many times and in all honesty it's probably why so few ideas get implemented. People make outlandish suggestions that will never be implemented, have no real world basis, or would be breaking. Then, a modest suggestion comes around and the people that make outlandish suggestions bash the modest suggestion and derail the topic ... stop trying to pick apart a simple idea.

The Composite Ray Type H and Type E made sense and were decent suggestions ... all you're doing is complaining. This is not a rehashed old idea, but you've offered no construction to the topic (no constructive criticism, no constructive alternatives, nothing).

Troll somewhere else. The Suggestions forum needs people that can think of realistic ideas and needs realistic responses (whether those are negatives or positives). Just making a post with no substance is just a waste.


I wasn't trolling, and i've never actually done so. Thanks though for assuming that someone who wasn't looking from your viewpoint, could only be a troll, as that doesn't make you seem like a tool whatsoever.

I was preparing a post stating that why would weapons developers even bother making a +80 Composite ray if they were even capable of making a +160 composite ray. Then i was going to suggest that perhaps it could just be called the Twin Composite Ray.

I was then going to offer a suggestion that perhaps, we could get a +5% attack boost during PvP from a Composite Ray Type-A rather than just a flat bonus, since it seems people have complained recently that people under attack get all the good bonuses(xecti race bonus/gemini cannons/trinity drives), that its about time a module came along offering an advantage to the aggressor.

You wonder why people don't offer contructive criticism, and then berate someone else for trying to make a different viewpoint.


I am a tool because I called someone out on not offering a realistic suggestion (or even a suggestion related to the topic)?

I originally had it as a +5% attack boost when attacking, but made that a flat doubling, but felt it should still just be called Type A (why make a whole new module when it fits with an already existing one).

I wondering why people don't offer constructive criticism or constructive suggestions. I am not berating you, I'm saying your posts are doing nothing but 1) picking apart a simple suggestion (that would be like trying to pick apart why it is called an Egg Biscuit ... the biscuit isn't made of egg!) and 2) derailing the topic.


With that, I'm done with your comments. Try to be realistic and stay on topic ... otherwise just go to bed, please.

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Composite ray is, from my view, a 2-part compilation weaponry
With that said, other than the primary cannon, it is also outfitted with some kind of other module that grants some other effect, hence the selection effect--you can outfit it with other types of support module

So from a realistic standpoint, it's not unthinkable to have a type A, that is to say the logic of "why woul they make 80 if they can make 160" does not stand, for the simple reason that the 160 takes "more space" namely both the main cannon and the sub-device compartment

However, given that it is a "sub department", it's quite likely that it provides an attack bonus that is smaller than the main cannon. So from real world logic standpoint, i think 40-60 extra atk is more likely.

This is like u can outfit a rifle with a scope for accuracy, but also with a gernade launcher for dmg. but for some reason you can only put on one of the two(maybe a weight limit on some kind of drop crate?) granted genade launcher might do more dps than rifle... but tbh I think space cannon thingy sub-module is more likely to provide a smaller bonus than main system.

+0.5 because while I don't see real motivation for this, this is a viable idea with, so far, no logical counter reasons.

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