How about adding a new rank for
1: new members who you want to observe to ensure compliance to legion rules,
2: demoting standing members who repeatedly make stupid mistakes (like killing weak bases too quick) or break NAP's.

Also have options for base shipments to be reduced or disabled for this rank.

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If an option to restrict them from targeting bases was added, +1.

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that, is a really good suggestion. Thanks Jackie.

Great suggestion although it has been suggested many times before
Anyway I think leaders should also be allowed to select the severity of the punishment.

"Punishment" by a leader in the form of disallowing base battles, base payouts, CTLab & UST access, etc. which a player would be eligible for given the qualifications established by legion loyalty would be a direct violation of the current game ToS. For Dan to establish a "punishment" system that includes anything like that would be self-contradictory and will not be added.

According to that, the legion rules system which restricts normal members (as opposed to officers or leaders) from locking bases, building /destroying base modules, using the base abilities, repair bay, ct lab, commerce bay, etc. are a violation of the TOS. I don't see how the argument that allows that ("the player can choose to be in a different legion") wouldn't apply to these proposed rules.

Poor example. What you are talking about there is privileges granted to GROUPS within a legion mostly for organizational purposes. NOT punishing a specific player. BIG DIFFERENCE.

All this would do would create a new "group". There is no difference, other than one you are coming up with in your attempt to turn this into a shouting match. using caps does not make your argument any more cogent, nor convincing.
In specific, the ability to "kick" a player from a legion should be removed from the game according to your reading of the TOS.

First, I emphasize, not yell.

Second, you are confusing Rights and Privileges. Do you have the right to be in a legion? No, that's a privilege. Much the same as not everyone in the world has a right to be a US citizen. But if you have the qualifications and meet the requirements (recruiting standards) you can become one. Then you get the right to vote for example after you are naturalized (legion loyalty enabling use of the UST and such). The leadership of a legion has the responsibility to establish who has the privilege to use base abilities, commerce bay, etc. just like the government has the responsibility to establish who has the privilege of driving a car.

I'm not arguing against a probation group per se if it were just mandatory pre-loyalty. I don't see the need though for an optional group like that, if I joined a new legion and they said I was on probation.... See ya, I'll find a legion that respects me enough to consider me a full member. Assuming something like this actually got implemented, don't you see what would happen? New members that get lumped in an optional Probationary group are going to leave immediately, just like I would. And used as a punishment, they're going to also leave. How is that going to help a legion? May as well take away their privilege of membership and just boot. Word gets out, no one joins, people leave because they get bumped for the tiniest little infraction, legion dies. All in all, ToS aside, its a HORRIBLE idea.

1) I don't want to be a US citizen, just saying'
2) Instead of leaving, I'd try make myself respected

Who said we'd wantcha anywho Blue? jussayin'


Every person that joins our legion is given the same respect that is given to a charter member. That is how it should be until such time as a person does something to lose that respect. And that's how I would expect to be treated as well.

Answering your second point, I too prefer legions like this

And you yanks live us Irish leaids (lads)
'Right, lads, what'sa craic?

I am not suggesting this aspect be used for new legion members.
An example of the proper use for this is when someone who does want to be in a legion breaches the legion rules about base combat. Up till now, the only real way of penalizing the person would be to kick and reinvite (yes, this only works for people who really do want to stay in that legion). Unfortunately, this causes a 7 day penalty. This suggestion would allow someone to be penalized for shorter, specific time periods.

You're missing the point. You as a player have no right to punish anyone by taking away a right of membership. By being a loyal member of a legion, that player has a right to battle bases or whatever else a common member of the legion is able to do. If they don't follow the rules laid out for membership in the legion, they need to be removed.

As an aside, you shouldn't even HAVE any rule for base battles beyond "Shoot till its dead." If you're worried about bases dying too soon, you're doing your legion a disservice by not challenging them. We tried the whole "Tap and fill the slots" thing when battles first started, and someone ALWAYS gets screwed and someone ALWAYS ignores the plan.

I would have to disagree with you Darth in fact I'd say a cap on base damage actually works well, or at least in the one legion i've witnessed doing it.

Yes darth, we'd all love to be shooting at the bigger heavier bases, and getting the awesome loot that entails downing those bases, BUT we don't all have that fire power in our legions... We are still trying to get our silvers and help out the lower ranked players in our legion, so we WILL pick smaller bases and abandoned ones are prime pickings for EVERYONE to get silvers... So we have rules that state, ONE HIT ONLY UNTIL ALL SLOTS ARE FILLED, but yet some people just cant seem to get it thru their thick skulls what that actually means.. so YES, why not give them a probationary period for disobeying the legions rules... IF we were to kick them, then we lose out on planet defences, AND a loss of production for a week, whilst that player (IF they rejoined) gets base production after 24 hours... So its more negatively impactful for the legion, rather then the a$$hole who cant follow orders.

Darth your missing the whole point you say it breaks the ToS of the game to punish a legion member for breaking rules because it disrupts a players growth?
Then what would you say is kicking from a legion thats a rather huge way to harm someone, besides when you join a legion your expected to follow orders of the officers and leaders what would be the point of said legion ranks if no one under you obeyed you or followed orders to give someone a probation for breaking rules and limited the perks they get from being in said legion is perfectly fair.
Once again i will say it "when you join a legion you are agreeing to follow the legion rules" personly if i broke the legion rules when ive been warned repeatedly not to i would rather get put on probation for a few days then kicked.
The only thing is there should be a time limit on it that cant be changed say you get probation you only get a fraction of the normal base production you would otherwise get and possably you dont get to see npc alerts for a couple days, but the probation period cant be extended just to prevent abuse but then if the leader of said legion keeps doing it fair enough reason to look for a new one.