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Ok, this has probably been suggested many times over, but here's a new thread for it: why doesn't (insert NPC here) get an upgrade?

For example, you stop seeing the Lazuli Refinery Center at rank 600. So this means the moment you hit 600, you immediately lose access to Gas Igniter Rods and Eruption Channelers - so you can no longer improve the stats of your Gas or Volcanic planets this way. Ok, yes you could buy Magnetosphere Chargers, but you need to do an awful lot of combat to improve your planets this way, especially if they don't already have a bonus. Losing access to them is like you're being penalised. And you could possibly argue the Refinery Center gets replaced by the Fabrication Plant. But their rank range crosses over, and they give completely different rewards, so it's not an upgrade.

All of the rare NPC's disappear by rank 900, leaving only Extremely Rare NPC's. None of which are really replacements for what you lose access to.

Here's another example. At 600 you lose access to Reynard, Lazuli Titan. Technically it's replaced by Rethion, Lazuli Superhauler, but the Microfuser reward that Rethion drops doesn't give deckspace unlike the Parts Vault, so it's a different reward. And the relative increase in the bonus (Parts Vault gives +2 Decks and +10 Hull and +10 Shields, Microfuser gives no decks and +20 Hull and +15 Shields) is frankly pathetic.

This same issue also applies to the common NPC's. As you rank up, the mix of common NPC's slowly becomes frankly boring. I'm rank 591 at the moment, and I can virtually guarantee my battle tab will have a Crimson Flamehawk, Dark Runner, Rogue Tech Collector, Sha'din Charger, or Stryll Assassin on it. I'd just like to see more variety. I don't necessarily mean adding in whole new races (Although that would be nice), but I would like to see a few more NPC designs added for the existing races. Some that focus on weapons, some that can take a pounding, some that have abilities, whatever. But more variety is what NPC's really need.

Please Dan, if you're reading this, let the new artist that you mentioned know we'd like some more baddies in the game. And tell him we said hi. :)

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Yea, reynard really should get an upgrade npc that give decks

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Yea, reynard really should get an upgrade npc that give decks


I would think that at rank 600+ you would have enough artifact income to satisfy your desire for decks. Maybe I am wrong but perhaps an upgraded Reynard would drop some new tasty mods.

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There's definitely a need for more variety among the higher ranked NPCs but I don't want an actual replacement for reynard/renegar. Yes, the Rethion is sort of a replacement and I'm satisfied with that. A deck/hull/shield combo drop like the lazuli parts vault has a limited need. I like the microfuser because it adds hull and shield without adding decks that a lot of higher rank players don't need. Adding useless decks, to me, is silly when there's nothing to put in them and you're just adding to your damage cap. Granted it would only be one or 2 points of damage, but still.. That's why the high ranks gripe for a new use for shipbots.

Now, maybe if you were given the option when using it to do 2D, 10H, 10S or 25H, 15S... I'd go with that. The ones that still need decks would get their decks and the ones that don't, don't. Best of both worlds...

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Yea, reynard really should get an upgrade npc that give decks


I would think that at rank 600+ you would have enough artifact income to satisfy your desire for decks. Maybe I am wrong but perhaps an upgraded Reynard would drop some new tasty mods.

I have to agree with this guy. No more decks from these things...


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yea i have a few ship-bots waiting for the next module to come out. know if you could choice between getting the 2 decks and the current shields and hull and just a higher shields and hull that would be good. I want a new prison ships and yea dan might not like giving out prisoners anymore so how about having it drop crew rescued helmsmen say 6 and 6 tactical officers? the devastator is gone again good news is the flame hawks at higher ranks drop crimson amps possibly. would be a fan of a new higher lvl dark Command station the fabrication centers didn't have those for long in the first place have a idea for npc thing but going to share that later.

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that would be totally awesome for those that npc a lot. Please consider


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Here's another example. At 600 you lose access to Reynard, Lazuli Titan. Technically it's replaced by Rethion, Lazuli Superhauler, but the Microfuser reward that Rethion drops doesn't give deckspace unlike the Parts Vault, so it's a different reward. And the relative increase in the bonus (Parts Vault gives +2 Decks and +10 Hull and +10 Shields, Microfuser gives no decks and +20 Hull and +15 Shields) is frankly pathetic.

This caught my eye, and I would really, really love to retort.

Are you dense? The reason that the Microfuser does not give any decks space is because, eventually, everyone will reach a point where they cannot use them any more because they have every module installed and using something that adds more decks ONLY RAISES THEIR DAMAGE CAP!

That's why the Microfuser does not give any decks space. As to it being 'pathetic', again, are you dense? It gives the equivalent of 2 Durtanium Brackets and 3 XCharge Cells. That is freaking awesome, even if you do have to work for it. Anything that raises my hull and/or shields gets a massive tick from me. The reason why it is no higher, however? Do yourself a favour and ask Remric or Mento or Frail or PSICore how much hull and shields that they have. That might anwer why it's not any more.

You say that you're rank 591. What did you do, fast rank to get there and then pretend like you had any idea what the game was like?

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You say that you're rank 591. What did you do, fast rank to get there and then pretend like you had any idea what the game was like?

i am same rank and i ranked pretty fast... i still need decks... pretty a few of them... and i know pretty a few guys who would be happy to see Titans on theyr BT for some 100 ranks more (say 700) same gose for Lazuli centers, i almost stopped ranking just to catch those so i can make few more colossals with passive att...last ones is what i will really miss on my bt once i go past 600...

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You say that you're rank 591. What did you do, fast rank to get there and then pretend like you had any idea what the game was like?

i am same rank and i ranked pretty fast... i still need decks... pretty a few of them... and i know pretty a few guys who would be happy to see Titans on theyr BT for some 100 ranks more (say 700) same gose for Lazuli centers, i almost stopped ranking just to catch those so i can make few more colossals with passive att...last ones is what i will really miss on my bt once i go past 600...

That's why I didn't point out the Lazuli Centres, and yeah Titans can still be beneficial to rank 700s or whatever but they have been replaced by Rethion, and Rethionss rewards still outstrip Reynard's by a long shot.

If you need more decks, build up your arti income. I guarentee that you will eventually start complaining about have an abundance of Ship-bots. Then, imagine that this change does happen! You wouldn't use microfusers because it would increase your ship size without need.

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Hansolocal wrote:

You say that you're rank 591. What did you do, fast rank to get there and then pretend like you had any idea what the game was like?

i am same rank and i ranked pretty fast... i still need decks... pretty a few of them... and i know pretty a few guys who would be happy to see Titans on theyr BT for some 100 ranks more (say 700) same gose for Lazuli centers, i almost stopped ranking just to catch those so i can make few more colossals with passive att...last ones is what i will really miss on my bt once i go past 600...

That's why I didn't point out the Lazuli Centres, and yeah Titans can still be beneficial to rank 700s or whatever but they have been replaced by Rethion, and Rethionss rewards still outstrip Reynard's by a long shot.

If you need more decks, build up your arti income. I guarentee that you will eventually start complaining about have an abundance of Ship-bots. Then, imagine that this change does happen! You wouldn't use microfusers because it would increase your ship size without need.

i stopped upping my arti income at 19.5k/h for a while, (atleast while i am able to jump in during the day and avoid MSP's) i doubt that somebody can complain about that arti income at my rank... i feel pretty ok with it now... once i wil level out my mining to a point there i have 2x my upkeep i will start to grow arti planets again

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i stopped upping my arti income at 19.5k/h for a while, (atleast while i am able to jump in during the day and avoid MSP's) i doubt that somebody can complain about that arti income at my rank... i feel pretty ok with it now... once i wil level out my mining to a point there i have 2x my upkeep i will start to grow arti planets again

You're ARTI is good...and yes, keep it at 19.5K, I am soo pissed off when I get MSP's out of 25-26K/h.. It happens too often lol

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i stopped upping my arti income at 19.5k/h for a while, (atleast while i am able to jump in during the day and avoid MSP's) i doubt that somebody can complain about that arti income at my rank... i feel pretty ok with it now... once i wil level out my mining to a point there i have 2x my upkeep i will start to grow arti planets again

Then why the hell would you want Deck Space added to a Microfuser? For the past 150 or so ranks I've used only ship bots to increase my decks (all rank points going to crew). I'm only rank 351 and I've managed to add roughly 800 space using only ship bots, and my AP is considerably lower than yours.

What is suggested (adding deck space to Microfuser) will only be later shot down when you get to the point that you no longer need decks, that's why there is no point in adding decks to the microfuser.

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i stopped upping my arti income at 19.5k/h for a while, (atleast while i am able to jump in during the day and avoid MSP's) i doubt that somebody can complain about that arti income at my rank... i feel pretty ok with it now... once i wil level out my mining to a point there i have 2x my upkeep i will start to grow arti planets again

Then why the hell would you want Deck Space added to a Microfuser? For the past 150 or so ranks I've used only ship bots to increase my decks (all rank points going to crew). I'm only rank 351 and I've managed to add roughly 800 space using only ship bots, and my AP is considerably lower than yours.

What is suggested (adding deck space to Microfuser) will only be later shot down when you get to the point that you no longer need decks, that's why there is no point in adding decks to the microfuser.

no no not there, i rather see Titans till rank 700 (you get decks there, i am so happy to see them poping up on shares, i would like to see them for 100 more ranks) also those Mind Controllers are cool CTP income, since higher you go less "good" scrap value you get out of mods/artis you scrap...

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i stopped upping my arti income at 19.5k/h for a while, (atleast while i am able to jump in during the day and avoid MSP's) i doubt that somebody can complain about that arti income at my rank... i feel pretty ok with it now... once i wil level out my mining to a point there i have 2x my upkeep i will start to grow arti planets again

Then why the hell would you want Deck Space added to a Microfuser? For the past 150 or so ranks I've used only ship bots to increase my decks (all rank points going to crew). I'm only rank 351 and I've managed to add roughly 800 space using only ship bots, and my AP is considerably lower than yours.

What is suggested (adding deck space to Microfuser) will only be later shot down when you get to the point that you no longer need decks, that's why there is no point in adding decks to the microfuser.

no no not there, i rather see Titans till rank 700 (you get decks there, i am so happy to see them poping up on shares, i would like to see them for 100 more ranks) also those Mind Controllers are cool CTP income, since higher you go less "good" scrap value you get out of mods/artis you scrap...

Ah, my apologies, I thought you were defending the OP's point. I've got no problem with that, even if they are seen up to rank 800 as they are useful! However, I think part of the idea is that once you get to a high enough rank, you're not expending much energy to destroy them, meaning it is easier for higher ranks to upgrade their ships with little effort. However, since everyone is capable of doing it, it benefits everyone and not a select few.

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