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I agree. I'm not the founder of my legion, but I'm seniormost and the legion namer. Occasionally I go on cruises and even getting a few minutes a day to collect resources costs a pretty penny. And no, I can't afford it, all the cruises I go on are family reunions and cost me a ton of money as it is but I can't say nooooo. Sigh. Anyway, Vacation status is a great Idea.


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+1 to the rule change, think it would prevent a lot of headaches for big and small legions alike.


Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:29 am
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+1 from me too


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leaders are allowed holidays and time away from the game without risk of being donated. so -1

unless of course the time of being inactive is 1 month+ for leaders then +1


A month or 6 weeks seems appropriate.

though there is another side to this, as founding leader of my legion I feel like i can never leave my legion again, because should I leave and come back my status will be set to lowest ranked leader and I will have no power to demote any other leaders at that point.

There should be some sort of provision to allow the primary leader to leave the legion (by their own action, like a special button) for a time (say 4 to 6 weeks) and then come back and have the legion auto-accept and promote them back to leader, with their full leader time shown as if they had never left.

I would really like to visit our sub-legion for a few weeks, but it's a pain to do so.

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A month or 6 weeks seems appropriate.

though there is another side to this, as founding leader of my legion I feel like i can never leave my legion again, because should I leave and come back my status will be set to lowest ranked leader and I will have no power to demote any other leaders at that point.

There should be some sort of provision to allow the primary leader to leave the legion (by their own action, like a special button) for a time (say 4 to 6 weeks) and then come back and have the legion auto-accept and promote them back to leader, with their full leader time shown as if they had never left.

I would really like to visit our sub-legion for a few weeks, but it's a pain to do so.[/quote]

I would agree with this idea and think its a solid option. I do think that if instated though, this should be made retro-active to give the founding leader back the control. This also involves an active leader leaving to check on the sub-legions. If a leader becomes becomes INACTIVE then I still feel my original suggestion is appropriate.

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A month or 6 weeks seems appropriate.

though there is another side to this, as founding leader of my legion I feel like i can never leave my legion again, because should I leave and come back my status will be set to lowest ranked leader and I will have no power to demote any other leaders at that point.

There should be some sort of provision to allow the primary leader to leave the legion (by their own action, like a special button) for a time (say 4 to 6 weeks) and then come back and have the legion auto-accept and promote them back to leader, with their full leader time shown as if they had never left.

I would really like to visit our sub-legion for a few weeks, but it's a pain to do so.


I would agree with this idea and think its a solid option. I do think that if instated though, this should be made retro-active to give the founding leader back the control. This also involves an active leader leaving to check on the sub-legions. If a leader becomes becomes INACTIVE then I still feel my original suggestion is appropriate.[/quote]

yes, I agree, but I think they are related things, there should be a way for the primary leader to leave and retain seniority so long as they come back by a certain time, as well as a way for a primary leader to be demoted if they are inactive for say 6 weeks.

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I'm going to go right ahead and back this.

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I am part of the legion where this is a problem. I vote yes.
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@ QCubed
I agree with you last comment on both accounts:
1. Founder should be the "senior leader" and have a way to leave for a period of time without losing his seniority. My personal view on this time frame is 1 month. That allows for time to gain loyalty at a sub-legion and also contribute to building the base for a few weeks. This also allows for planet trades where an leader wishes to go to a different legion and sell an enemy planet scan, in which case he/she needs to wait 1 weeks as well, or purchase the rights to use a different legions CT lab to upgrade his or her ship.
2. Any leader, including senior leader should be removable upon becoming inactive for 1 month. I have revised my original suggestion from 1 week to 1 month as a result of solid comments posted by others thus far.

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@ QCubed
I agree with you last comment on both accounts:
1. Founder should be the "senior leader" and have a way to leave for a period of time without losing his seniority. My personal view on this time frame is 1 month. That allows for time to gain loyalty at a sub-legion and also contribute to building the base for a few weeks. This also allows for planet trades where an leader wishes to go to a different legion and sell an enemy planet scan, in which case he/she needs to wait 1 weeks as well, or purchase the rights to use a different legions CT lab to upgrade his or her ship.
2. Any leader, including senior leader should be removable upon becoming inactive for 1 month. I have revised my original suggestion from 1 week to 1 month as a result of solid comments posted by others thus far.



Glad to see my reasoning got you to change your mind, a good discussion indeed! =) However one final thing, if you changed your mind you shoudl re-edit your original post to reflect it, since it's the first post and the one most looked at.

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Something like this has been suggested before....i will say more or less the same thing that was said then.


If you should only promote someone to a fellow leader role if you trust them so if you promote someone they demote you and then kick you from the legion you founded its your fault.
Same thing as if you wanted to go on vacation if you promote someone to leader and they stab you in the back its your fault for picking a bad substitute.
But i do agree that a vacation idea is a rather good idea but it should be for any legion member not just the leader seeing as we all have real lives and cant be expected to spend 13+ hours a day watching the game, sometimes dragging us away for days if not weeks at a time.
But then it would also need to have a limit of how long you can be on vacation as well as how often you can go on one.

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Something like this has been suggested before....i will say more or less the same thing that was said then.


If you should only promote someone to a fellow leader role if you trust them so if you promote someone they demote you and then kick you from the legion you founded its your fault.
Same thing as if you wanted to go on vacation if you promote someone to leader and they stab you in the back its your fault for picking a bad substitute.
But i do agree that a vacation idea is a rather good idea but it should be for any legion member not just the leader seeing as we all have real lives and cant be expected to spend 13+ hours a day watching the game, sometimes dragging us away for days if not weeks at a time.
But then it would also need to have a limit of how long you can be on vacation as well as how often you can go on one.

OK everyone deserves the right to their opinion but you didnt even address the main issue of this post..please read it from the first post on page 1. The main reason for this suggestion is to allow leaders that become INACTIVE to be demoted.
In answer to your other comments, while I respect your right to see things how you like, I respectfully disagree with the "its all your fault cause you didnt choose wisely" cop-out. You can't always predict how other people will behave, especially over the internet where you can't read body language and so forth. In Addition you are overlooking some other scenarios where its not all a leaders fault for making a "bad choice". Consider this example: You are the founder of your legion, you spent 2 year building the legion, you paid for all the base upgrades and contributed 100% to upgrade the base to lv7, you did all the recruiting to gain new members, you developed all the rules and FB pages and everything else. You decide you need some help...so , carefully, you promotes someone who you think would be a good compliment to your leadership style, and your right its a great fit. Then one of your sub-legions asks for help building a base...you leave to go help them for a week. The 2nd leader you promoted in the original legion has no idea of the "longest time in leader spot rule" and , with the best of intentions,promotes another leader in the main legion. The second leader goes inactive because he found out he only has a few months to live and doesnt want to spend his last days playing a game, but wants to spend time with his family. Then you come back to the legion, which you founded and built. Now the 3rd leader , whom you did not even choose or promote is in control of the legion and doesnt want to let you have it back. Is that OK to just tell the original founder...."tough luck you should have choose better?" Not in my world!

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TheBlackWidow wrote:
neogoterra wrote:
Something like this has been suggested before....i will say more or less the same thing that was said then.


If you should only promote someone to a fellow leader role if you trust them so if you promote someone they demote you and then kick you from the legion you founded its your fault.
Same thing as if you wanted to go on vacation if you promote someone to leader and they stab you in the back its your fault for picking a bad substitute.
But i do agree that a vacation idea is a rather good idea but it should be for any legion member not just the leader seeing as we all have real lives and cant be expected to spend 13+ hours a day watching the game, sometimes dragging us away for days if not weeks at a time.
But then it would also need to have a limit of how long you can be on vacation as well as how often you can go on one.

OK everyone deserves the right to their opinion but you didnt even address the main issue of this post..please read it from the first post on page 1. The main reason for this suggestion is to allow leaders that become INACTIVE to be demoted.
In answer to your other comments, while I respect your right to see things how you like, I respectfully disagree with the "its all your fault cause you didnt choose wisely" cop-out. You can't always predict how other people will behave, especially over the internet where you can't read body language and so forth. In Addition you are overlooking some other scenarios where its not all a leaders fault for making a "bad choice". Consider this example: You are the founder of your legion, you spent 2 year building the legion, you paid for all the base upgrades and contributed 100% to upgrade the base to lv7, you did all the recruiting to gain new members, you developed all the rules and FB pages and everything else. You decide you need some help...so , carefully, you promotes someone who you think would be a good compliment to your leadership style, and your right its a great fit. Then one of your sub-legions asks for help building a base...you leave to go help them for a week. The 2nd leader you promoted in the original legion has no idea of the "longest time in leader spot rule" and , with the best of intentions,promotes another leader in the main legion. The second leader goes inactive because he found out he only has a few months to live and doesnt want to spend his last days playing a game, but wants to spend time with his family. Then you come back to the legion, which you founded and built. Now the 3rd leader , whom you did not even choose or promote is in control of the legion and doesnt want to let you have it back. Is that OK to just tell the original founder...."tough luck you should have choose better?" Not in my world!

While I agree with you there, I thought it was an unwritten rule no to promote anyone even to officer without consulting others first, the founder of your legion being the first one to talk to.


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unwritten rule or not, the founder of a legion should always have founder's right. It should be a special color crown. Founder, Leader, Officer. A founder can only pass the crown willingly, not actively. If the Founder goes inactive, they no longer count as being part of the legion, but aren't booted until 2 months pass. At which time the leader with most seniority becomes Founder. it should be automatic. I found a legion, I become Founder.

The only problem I see with this is that some Legions are founded by a group, like Galaxy Wombats was, but even then, Gator Bill was the defacto leader of our trio.


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unwritten rule or not, the founder of a legion should always have founder's right. It should be a special color crown. Founder, Leader, Officer. A founder can only pass the crown willingly, not actively. If the Founder goes inactive, they no longer count as being part of the legion, but aren't booted until 2 months pass. At which time the leader with most seniority becomes Founder. it should be automatic. I found a legion, I become Founder.

The only problem I see with this is that some Legions are founded by a group, like Galaxy Wombats was, but even then, Gator Bill was the defacto leader of our trio.



Baltar and I founded The Darkside together, I think I actually formed the legion on GL, though perhaps I did not and he did, in either case he's no longer on GL so I am the only founding member in the game.

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I thought Baltar founded Rebel Scum.

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I thought Baltar founded Rebel Scum.

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The Original concept legion was all him, he just made me the only other leader, so we call ourselves co-leaders and that all happened pretty quickly after the initial forming and creation of the FB group. He actually even offered to leave and let me be solo leader because he thought I was better at it then him, he said he'd never expected the legion to take off at all, he'd just wanted to fight the #$*# and KONR for picking on all the newbs exclusively with team ganking of ships rediculously smaller than them for days.

I liked the DS name and what we stood for and wrote-up the concept of Darkside, and the simple 3-rules was both of us, when he was at a loss intially, which we still pretty much stick to for our day to day to this day.

When the time came to form the real legion I am the one who started the actual legion by clickinng ther buttons and doing the work. I messaged baltar to let him know I had, a few hours later he created a dif legion which he then disbanded and moved to the one I created once he realised I'd handled it all.

Baltar and I always worked best as a team, and I miss him.

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There needs to be a founder rank; with an editable title. Let the Founder himself decide what it will be but have the person who created the legion has his player ID attached to the Legion ID itself. Make it so he can always return to the legion without anyone accepting his recruit/join request.

The editable title? Well some legions like their Founder being also called a "Leader" or "Founder" or "Supreme Ruler" adds a little variation. Also if current legions would have issues then let it come to either a vote; or decided some other way to be fair. There's no for sure way to make things right for current legions except a vote despite the whole eerie eye thing/suspicion of multi accounts. It has to happen somehow right?

Then perhaps make it so the Founder can pass on his Founder Rank to someone if necessary or so Leaders can claim the founder rank. That way among at least Leaders (which should be rare in a legion unless you'r silly and have 100% of your members with that rank) can be civilized about the debate.

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