Best solution, drop defence mods. A small legion doesn't have the skilled defenders, or enough hull/def to fend off top legions until they're level 4+ and if they're at that level and don't have the credit base to support the base, then they leveled and built mods before their legion could support it.

Bingo! I'm pretty sure I already said that. It's the same as some rank 200 jamming their ship full of the very top tier mods and not understanding why they can't make their upkeep.


PS: On a side note, yes Billick, we've been on opposite sides of arguments from time to time, but at least you can debate intelligently.

that could actually work, personally i would drop weapons, but still it is a good solution.

and darth we have agreed on things in the past, just saying, anyways my +1 on this idea stands so lets give others a chance to comment their opinion.

He better pitch in at that age not money wise (clean the van and polish it from time to time) also if he dont know how to do that will show them the way and if that dont solve it he/she can take the bus...

Same goes as legions if they need help paying the legion tax they should let thier leaders or officers know..will be glad to help them out...and point them in to the right direction..

If the leaders/officers can afford to pay their members share of the tax, why couldn't they just deposit it to pay the upkeep using the system we have now?

Well thats a good question...Some members even do they are in thier ranks 200's still dont have a grasp of the game mechanics..But they are loyal since day one and they will nvr ask for help..This is one way to find out whats going on with them for the developing legions which there are a lot of them playing this game...

and yes us officers and leaders can carry easily the base daily upkeep.. we would like the rest of those members to get involved in the game instead of just kicking them...

this tax thing suggestion I think its a good one... most lvl 6+ bases legions have figured out the game.. and they should not have a problem with the tax sugestion since most of thier members mineral production is high..

yes to base tax

+1 to tax. It should be optional for legion leader to decide though.

It is really stupid that the legion upkeep is paid by just a few members.

I think the option should be there +1, that being said its an option. Even if you just give members the option to be able to automatically donate, it would be better then nothing. Either leaders being able to set a donation policy (its there legion a donation policy is just like any other rule) or players can opt into a base donation policy (we all get busy and forget sometimes) I think these are positive ideas. I understand why some people dont like the idea, thats why I'm for just adding the choice.

Ok it doesn't look like anyone actually looked at the old thread that I linked. So here's a little something for y'all...

That's half right darth joining a legion is like say joining the dock workers union it comes with perks yes but it also makes you have some things your required to do on your part.

When you join a legion you agree to follow the rules and expectations they set out for you if you dont like those rules then leave simple as that. That is why making legion tax a optional thing the legion leaders decide on is better then having it enforced 100% in every legion.

You clearly are not reading half of what others are saying anyways and you do know TM's are only useful to people who do pvp meaning offering that is a near pointless reward to someone who does missions or npc hunting.

This is a sound and good idea regardless of how much you don't like it everyone else does.

Check back not everyone likes this idea Neo TM's are also very good for NPC's and bases should you be rushing to get a lock and need a quick repair.

When we run down to under a weeks worth of credits, an announcement is made about it and we're good for the next 3, managing a base is like managing your ships upkeep, exept instead of having to do it on your own, now you have other people contributing. The system works well if you have the capacity to use it.

And if all your members speak the same language......thats a huge plus some of the members of my legion know just enough english to understand "base battle" or "boss is up"

ffs omniscient ones I'm willing to bet none of you actually know how to run a proper tax.

Are you seriously THAT narrow minded Neo? The TMs and Nanos are an EXAMPLE. BE CREATIVE!

Look, whether it's optional to the leaders or not, bottom line is THEY CAN NOT KNOW HOW MUCH EACH AND EVERY PLAYER IN A LEGION CAN AFFORD EACH AND EVERY DAY. That simple fact alone is reason enough to NEVER institute ANY form of forced tax. If you make it an option and the leader exercises that option, you WILL lose members. They will leave and find legions that don't use the tax. How is that going to improve anything? If it is 100% forced, people will just pain quit the game entirely. You already lose 20% of your credits to the trade tariff for no other reason than to force you to strategically balance saving minerals vs buying minerals. Take out another percentage and what's the point of bothering with it?

Several months back, Dan added a mission to grant an ability to reduce your trade tariff. Adding a tax would nullify the massive energy expense people have spent to unlock that ability. Also, once you unlock the research contract, your need for mining is reduced. You seriously think people are not going to ditch there mining planets or just not collect the points beyond what they need for upkeep when they have a ready source of additional income when needed via the research contract? If you try to tax that, people are just going to use it to research stuff and only cash in enough to cover their own expenses. There's only a handful of people that DON'T have SOMETHING to use their research points on.

All you +1'ers need to realize that a tax system whether forced or optional IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM OF OVEREXTENDING YOUR LEGION'S BUDGET.

Neo and Darth you guys have both made your points, now just let the topic die out or let others comment if they want to.

I would never use it.

I still believe there is merit in this idea BUT like I said before the figures being thrown around are ridiculous a maximum of 5% seems acceptable. People that can will still donate more.

There are smaller legions out there that need the help. It's not a case that the leaders/officers should have to subsidise the whole of the legion. If there are 40 people getting a base payout then there should be 40 people contributing to the base upkeep.

If your legion doesn't require this help then you switch the base tax off.

If you are in a position that you don't want to or can't help with upkeep you switch the option off on a ship option basis but get a smaller payout. This could be abused so you should be opted in for a minimum time before you get full payout. People opting in should get the excess from opted out players shared between them as an incentive.

Most legions have the payout on equal so the people that have donated the energy/em/ctp are already subsidising the other members that may have joined later or not researched to a high enough level to donate, yet they are getting the same benefits. It is usually these same people that the upkeep falls to.

I say put the option in and let the individual legions decide if they want to implement it and allow players decide to opt in or out.

We don't need it in our legion but I have friends in legions not so fortunate

ok I think the idea has merit I also think that the legion tax should be a daily thing at the daily shipment and upkeep time the collected tax pays for the base and the leftover from it is returned to all the members not evenly but by amount they donated and the % left. So the tax would pay for the upkeep but won't be stolen or anything like it. the normal base funds would be used if the % taken form all members isn't enough.