Having made this exact point in another post< i do think its ridiculous that a coward can jump in and out as he deems fit to try involve other larger legions, Such a tactic is completely bypassing the 50 legion member concept.

There seems no point in just having 50 Members. There will always be Someone more powerful than you thats life but, i question the ethics. And knowing its just a game i don't take it personally. But really one has to think about the junior members in a legion where its leaders are Oh you have not managed to kill me more than twice haha

Meanwhile his mates have died over 70 times. Then he can jump ship involve new legions, all a while instructing his "Mates" (legion members) to continue while they effect their plan so the little suffering guys follow their orders keep attacking which sparks our response meantime their plan isn't quite working as they hoped. We not attacking the leadership while they in their other clan.

Yet somehow I'm linked in the other clan, I'm not the aggressor. I say have a cool off period 24 hours if you leave a legion before you can join another.

Zophah has a good point and idea... But...
Why not increase the cool down when switching an alliance?
Because it still does not prevent players on stand by ready join the fray.

It would make more sense to have timer after switching that prevents you to link, or be linked to...
If you say it makes the said player vulnerable as he cannot get support. Well he should not be hopping between legions to begin with..

Or...

When the said player is being attacked the aggressor will get a message saying if he attacks it will reset that persons alert penalty timer and allows him to link them to his new allies. Which is still flawed system. Anyone can simply attack and run away to hide behind 2nd alliance shield. Effectively making it similar to a kid running up to you, spitting in your face then running to hide behind his parent laughing.

There must be a consequence for attacking a legion.

I agree that the alert limit should be increased, joint legions negate the purpose of a size limit. Plus the fact they are unseen is completely unfair.

If anything, you can make it so there can be alliances, but make a limit on the number and make it so when looking at a legion, it lists the allied legions with a link to each one. Have a 12 hour alert limit to an allied legion, but 24 hour to non-allied legions.

That sounds good for the most part, but I don't think you should be able to alert anything to the allied Legions, just tell them if you're at war so they can hit people in the battle tab if necessary.

OOOH someone call a WAAAmbulance so ya got yer backside burned within the current game structure .
learn to work the system yourself, make allies ,shall we set the legion size limit at 10 and make alerting a 3 day waiting period also get over it .

This is a game of WAR Im so tired of seeing these posts where someone wants the system that is in place changed because they got whooped up on this is a symptom of the whole entitlement culture that we have now .
oooh I dont like having to fight back for what
I want to hold onto Dan oh Dan please change the system so it benefits my legion specifically but gimps everyone else .

Don't be stupid.

This idea that you can go to other Legions to have them do things for you is no better than asking for the system to be changed, or worse, because it's a workaround of the intention of the system. Legions have a max limit for a purpose, and being able to go to other Legions to alert people defeats that purpose, so it makes sense to change it so that the system works as intended.

I think Ferrus only says this because he is higher than most of us, if it were the other way around I think it would be a role reversal on all accounts.

An interesting assumption, but a false one. If you don't want high level people attacking you then don't attack them, because they can't attack you if you don't. The only way somebody higher level than you could attack you is if you disabled someone in their Legion, which you could check before disabling them, or if they changed to a different Legion and alerted you, which you can't check. Of course, if they changed it you wouldn't need to worry about this at all.

EDIT: To summarize, you're wrong, and I'm agreeing with the idea because you've made no good argument that makes sense.

It is a game of war... and you guys clearly can't handle your own problems. It pretty much only gimps the few legions that do it, and yours is probably the one that has done it the most frequently in the history of the game. It used to happen every time I attacked your legion all by myself when there are plenty of people higher ranked than me in your legion. Seriously, you guys are probably the most entitled legion in the game. If I attack someone even 5 levels lower than me I am accused of farming lower levels when it is only the lower levels that will actually attack me. You guys are obviously the premiere kill farmers of the game, hands down. I'm expected to sit there and take it from lower levels and do nothing to them until you can get someone to a better legion.

I think I am dead on. I mean how would Noci or Kaos act if they were the low guy?

Besides by this point there are so many that are way up there it is rediculous. Almost every legion I come across has one if not 2 players that are 100+ levels higher than me, since this is a war game Where is the fun in that?

Also not to mention since one can see + or - 40% of their rank on the tab, the higher they get the effectively lower they can see. I have come from seeing only 40 ranks lower to nearly 100 ranks lower and my bottom end has changed little. I.e. 40% 100 mean you can only see at the lowest rank 60. 40% of 200 you can see only 120. You are rank 293 which means you can see rank 175. So as you increase the farther back you can effectively see.

So don't tell me that a higher up can not farm guys way lower than him out side of an alert.

I am not going to argue that we have done it, I personally have not. But I will say that your guys are not innocent of it either. As for sitting there and taking it, well I have had my share of deaths from your crowd so I would not say that you sit there and take it either. Actually I find You to be a tough ship to crack and a worthy opponent.

Yeah, he can see you, and then hit you once and then you're off his battle tab. I don't think hitting you a few times qualifies as farming. And yes, a lot of them have people that are a lot higher level, which is why I wouldn't alert someone who just hit me once (even if my Legion was strong enough to fight them), but I know a lot of people would. But they can only hit you for two days after that if you don't keep hitting them.

I always thought it was stupid that I can see someone lower level than me, but they have zero chance to ever see me on the battle tab.

I don't alert people very often. My legion doesn't have alert rules because they are inherently hypocritical and retarded. It makes more sense to not go willy-nilly with the freedom and use it on people I either have a history with or on someone guarding a nice planet or for some other use that might actually benefit me. If say, I do happen to attack somone lower level than me, and I certainly do since 95% of the people on the battle tab are, they can notify me to the 10-15 higher levels their legion has instead of going to a stronger legion. It isn't my fault that none of those people attack me. This isn't the "alliance" system of the game that you guys made up here. That is Dan's job.

It is usally me vs. a whole legion with lots of higher levels than me where only the lower levels actually fight and endlessly complain if I ever actually do anything back. Then, they notify me to a better legion and they will actually do the work for the little legion. It sure seems like abject cowardice, laziness and greediness all roled into one.

This is mostly aimed at KoNR.

This is becoming an argument and a blame game instead of anything even resembling a constructive topic anymore...

Still how I see it the ones that call out "boo hoo, quit whining and suck it up" completely missed the point of why we even have such rules. Rules exist in game to create set structure and environments. You could just as easy say: Break down all the walls and remove all the rules. What will happen then? Pretty much whats happens in real world. Few on top will hoard power ever increasingly. Making it unlivable for anything else. There will be no rookies. There will be no mediums. Probably a few blob alliances and thats it. There would be no game... What do the rules stand for? Balance and very concept that gives the game its characteristics..

You know, at this point I dont care if I win or loose, I merely want to have a well balanced and fair game. I want to kill and be killed just the same. And as a mmo it must be continuous. Not the one where you socially have to kiss someones ass to make multiple naps and then hop around between alliances like an idiot. Or one where the only way to advance is through countless others. Im not asking to make it easier in any way. (contrary, harder to be abused) There are too many mmos that go lax in rules and content by making things easy.
There must be a balance for all game play styles. Form alot of comments it appears some prefer the "blob alliance, power hoarding"

So how about this... To make such people happy... Dan... Can you implement a Big Red WIN button?
When they press it they get fireworks, a princess and a "start a new game" option.
They can hop between alliances anyways. heh

(i guess i could not keep from feeding this further:)

1 of 2 things needs to happen:

1) All legions that a particular legion is allied with are mentioned on the information page for that legion. That way you know exactly what you are getting yourself into if you start up a fight with that particular legion, and if their big brother comes and gives you a bloody nose, it's your own fault.

or

2) You can't alert anyone or anything that happens to you to a legion unless you were part of that particular legion when the action against you occurred.

There is nothing more annoying that disabling someone in a legion you feel you can hold your own against, and signing in 12 hours later to see they are part of a monster legion and that you've been zeroed out on disables, hacks, and raids.

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To be honest this is all much to do about nothing as the above shows. You play the game you get attacked, big deal you live with it. Action limits means its no big deal the game is no longer a hacking war where alert sharing could cripple a player, its a scan war now. Planet acquisition is almost entirely done by scanning and not by hacking so if you dont want to fight dont. If you choose to PVP its supposed to be a dangerous galaxy out there...Bender

So a bully gets beaten and he cries to the dev it's cheating... incredible.

Its a loophole that needs to be fixed. period.

Hmm if defending your legion mates is bullying then yes...
Funny how the enemy twists the words

And you are 3rd legion we came across using same cheap tactics.
Hence us reporting it..

well romah this just seems to be an extension from your legions post 'do legions really want these kind of players' viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3771 (a must read to fully understand this guys idea of fair play!!)


its a war game man!! so one of your guys gets disabled on battle tab by a lower rank,doesnt like it and alerts.so then your guys gang attack him until he alerts - both him and his legion get plundered by your higher ranked legion repeatedly. are you seriously saying that is fair? or are you still put out that the lower legion after all that, asked for help?