you can't just say "its a war game" without expecting someone else to say "its a war game and you can't handle your own s***"

Exactly my point !!!

It is a game so adding examples from real life is nothing but debate foder... still, as we think about conflicts all over the globe, does anyone really handle sh#t themselves anymore? or for that matter, did they ever? You know the colonist got support from the French to fight the British. North Korea got help from the communist fighting the South Koreans and United States. Iran got weapons from the United States while fighting Russia. The Greeks were aided by African nations when the Persians came knocking. The list could go on. Are we really surprised that multi alliances arose and banned together in this game? Personally, I was a fan of the rank limits on battles... but guess what, many of the higher ranks opposed that idea and #$&*@ to Dan day and night until he changed it back. One might figure they didn't want to miss their chance to farm the little guys. The problem is not with alliances, or 50 member legions, or 24hr alerts, the problem is big ships wanting to hit little ships. Fix that and you fix the underlining issue of bullying.

If there were a real alliance system I think some legions would realize they aren't winning very many popularity contests doing stuff like this.

Yes... But this is not war with ground rules. Its not like sending troops to duke it out.
A game needs to be balanced in order to give chances to all willing players.
Or else it would not be worth playing. Especially for a rookie starting out...
What if other rules to be butchered?
What is it to say that to make a rule that a single person or Legion gets 200% attack boost from being number one?
Maybe a poor example, but follows the same principal.

If you think Im being butt hurt the fact that we keep running into the cheating alliances,
then you are a fool and simple and narrow minded at that who likely plays just to get a cheap ego boost..

As I said, Rules were set for a reason...
Violating them and then saying its how it should be does nothing but devalues the game...

Im more than happy to be disabled hacked or whatever in a fair fight.
Because without a loss, there is no gain and I would not be playing a game I could not loose or suffer a loss...
Arguing that Im simply "whining" for not having a legion backup simply shows the deafness you have.

To add bad points against myself, Ive talked to a few major legions to see if someone would temporary joins us to teach such alliances a lesson. (not to use for a force to gain upper hand. just as a lesson)
A few agreed. Others laughed. One even turned out to be buddies with that particular alliance...
The point to this one is, it should not be this way at all. Surely you have your mercs that will kill targets that they meet within the games rules. But not by tricking with a cheap tactic...

omg all you do is whinge romah! if as you say tdm were third legion to use this tactic against you then learn your lesson!! you cant go around being a bully because people fight back in the end! you say its like spitting in your face then hiding behind big brother but you come and complain to the head teacher that " they aren't playing fair, sir" as soon as you get a good kicking! your only bitter about what tdm did because we nipped your rapeing of lower tdm members in the bud and you had to run away licking your wounds!!! war games are about tactics and how best to deal with attacks!!! so you dont like our tactics, GET OVER IT!!

Romah, you and your legion need to stop #$&*@ and complaining because you got beat. I was there, I know what happened so just let it go for Gods sake.

Well it sounds like the next update is some sort of diplomacy thing... BTW, what legion are you in?

Hmm.. funny thing is we did not get beat. But go ahead and keep saying we did..
Anyway, to refrain of making this topic a flame war Ill keep my self from calling TDM leaders buch of... Oh oops hehe..

You guys are soo blind to what im saying about the game balance. Nothing to do with my own alliance.
Right now for example, im under attack from a higher legion because some noob is in ties with one of the top legions...

He simply hops, and links me to another alliance.
If you think im whining you are narrow minded fool not giving damn about the game balance, rules, fairness or general gameplay. And i stand by my opinion..

steph242 (front 242 relation?) and "knowledge" are either from TDM or the legion they hop between "Stormkyn"

And Im having hard time from making into flame war... *Takes deep breath*

Look you moron... defending your mates when they get attacked is not bullying...
And getting disabled 5 times yet having 50 kills from a war is does not make it that we got beaten...
My mates that participated have similar results.
Go back to a planet where it is so, you loon.. XD
Ignorance here is so rampant!

The problem is not with alliances, or 50 member legions, or 24hr alerts, the problem is big ships wanting to hit little ships. Fix that and you fix the underlining issue of bullying.

'Defending' your mates by reaping from a whole lot of lower ranked attackers could be considered bullying.

Getting disabled 5 times yet having 50 or even a hundred kills for all I care could simply mean you picked on the lower ranked ships again...

I am an officer in another legion higher ranked than TDM and also have an alliance with them.
I also happen to be a neighbour of one of its leaders and was actually at his home when the whole thing started!
Myself and my legion have not gotten involved but have kept a keen eye on how things panned out and what has subsequently been said on the forum.

Romah - you have talked of 'its equivalent to a kid running up to you, spitting in your face then hiding behind his parent laughing' but did the guy in your legion not do a variation of this himself?

TDM's leader beat your higher ranked player in a straight forward battle tab fight.Most people would either have ignored this or retaliated,making for some interesting battles between the 2 players.Instead he chose to do neither and alert his legion for help,then what followed has been documented well with New Eden openly using bully tactics on TDM's leader and then on his legion to the point where TDM stood up to bully tactics by 1st asking for allied help and then to stand against you regardless of how many times you disabled its players,until eventually you left them alone.

Now as far as i see most organised legions with good leadership have in-house rules with alerting,and as is apparent yours clearly does not or else you wouldnt have encountered this problem with 3 legions now!

TDM's leader has a formidable ship for his rank,a good battle reputation and clearly has a well organised legion and good diplomatic leadership skills to have secured so many alliances.

For my final point I agree the game has no place for bullies and its good to see a legion not be disheartened by them.Romah your leadership and legion need to learn from TDM and maybe you might salvage some kind of decent reputation at some point,as all of this has vastly improved the reputation of TDM and shown you for what you really are - a bully legion with poor leadership!

Mary... Again... I been trying to keep this post as civil and to the point as best as possible... But kept getting jabs from stormkyn and TDM kids...

I see your manner of speaking is more honorable and with a tone of reason. Lets see how you reply..
There will always be a matter of he said she said when wars or arguments happen.
But let me speak out my side of the whole story once and for all. Even though TDM as childish as they are will be continuously bringing this up in a post that is meant to remain as neutral and constructive as possible for games sake. Not theirs and their exploits..

I never brought TDM or other legions to this topic. I just stated "The game has a flaw from its ruling design"
Read back... They did that.
Yes there was a small engagement between one of our members and a mild trash talk between the two.
The member who hit us was linked. He was hit as a retaliation to his aggression. Obviously they responded as our alerts were flooded with targets all just as quickly dispatched. Thats when our multiple members sprung into action. I know as I was one of them (note: we were not raiding or hacking them and it was meant to prove our point to stay away from OUR low ranked members. And so our intent was not to "feed off or bully" lower ranks something we very well could and honestly now i think, should have done)
Their leading figures finally showed their heads. I replied to the trash talk between two of the members agreeing with my mate naturally on the fact that we are on defense and that they better prepare for a fight. We stopped attacking their ALERTED members and focussed fire on leaders as ultimately its their call. Only other targets were ones that hit us in the midst of it so we hit back and most of such low ranks would stop.
They had a stockpiled supply of traps which im sure is gained through other alliances or at expense of smaller members as they had none of their own. My own traps were plenty as they could not disable me... In about second or third day of fighting
When their supply dwindling, as we were chewing through it fast (We set off 50-100 traps from phoenix force alone in one night) He spew even more degrading bile on our comms. I replied something on the tone of "talking is a waste of energy. I hope you still have enough traps" In my opinion a quite civil response to what he was spewing.. I told him we will make him work for his kills... And we have.. But as soon as it looked like he had to bleed a little he turned tail and fled under Stormkyn's oh so caring wing Still constantly spewing his nonsense. He was replaced with another figure. A combat ship with more traps to play mine sweeper with. Close to reaching phoenixforces fate, he blabbered something about "Grand scheme that you shall soon see" got disabled and jumped to Stormkyn aswell. (jeez didnt see that one coming!;) We found it quite cowardly and dishonorable act from the two so we killed off the remaining alerts and called it a night... Came back to see that ofcourse stormkyn came into play to defend their cowardly low lives of allies..
We got quite disappointed that their mouths had little to back it with other than hide or ask another legion or two to get them out of the hole they dug in. I told my mates to back off the comms to save energy and told the weaker ones to not engage as it will be simply opening younger ones for a needless attack. From all that was said, it was now personal. And very dishonorable of them to leave their mates open for slaughter. We proceeded to kill of any and every member on the list out of spite their leaders were building up. Yes we did not attack them while they were in stormkyn as it would strategically be stupid of us to do. A day of this and they had to syphon members from stormkyn into TDM. The leaders remained on the safe side ofcourse. More fighting occurred with an average 1-4 per disable benefiting us. More stormkyn hoped to TDM to save the burning ship and i finally got disabled up to 5 times. (thats about the time when phoenix coincidentally decided to come back down oddly enough). Half my mates went for a weekend and I decided to play dead as i was running dry on traps. I went to relax for the weekend aswell and to have some good time. Came back to find that things relatively at peace. Got more "kid spitting in the face as they hide behind the parent" crap from phoenix on how we are the dishonorable bullies. That made me laugh a bit as i considered of hitting phoenix to hell again. But he would just go and hide behind his mommy once more when things turn dire for him. My mates took alot more hits than i did, so in their sake decided to let it cool. Read some topic here on forums by one of my mates and had yet again had to restrain myself from killing bunch of lower ranks and making him run while allowing my crew to take hits from stormkyn due to their one sided lies and insults...

At the end I found one of my rare planets taken by a noob. (unrelated to TDM or stormkyn) I went after him only to find him legion hopping to one of the top linking me to them. I could have fought but then id be drawing players x3 times the rank on me. That simply unstrategic and dumb to do. Hence I checked back on this post to report it only find they are still making jabs. Now instead of a post in legions, they do so here where the input meant to improve the game : )

From our perspective we won with minimal losses.
And to directly reply your accusations Mary,
(A) We never hoped alliances. Although (bad argument points for me, but i have nothing to hide) I did contacted 3 top alliances in order to teach a lesson. One laughed and told me to screw off. Second was very willing to help, but it turned out to be buddies with stormkyn. Third was quite happy to help especially after finding out who as the stormkyn were their enemy. But that never came to be as war slowed down at the end.. But no... what member hid behind anyone? The one that happily participated in fighting and had a blast you mean?

(B) TDM leader did not beat me whatsoever. He was spending most of the time hiding behind stormkyn as soon as he neared death by my hand. Best he could do is swoop on a kill stormkyn served him. And from what I recall i did get him ... All he could do is spew crap on the comm like a little kid something on the tone "you cant get me" (sorry trying to keep it family friendly and not use any "harsher" words to make my point)

(C) If hiding while letting the rest suffer is a mastermind and a strategic genius of a plan, then indeed. Alerting mates is not that hard to do. Keeping them safe as I was doing this whole time is another matter which he had no pebbles to do apparently..

To your final point, I have no need to salvage my reputation here. What i see is a very few reasonable players Such as SpoonyJank that do their best from taking sides and troll on someones expense finding a reason in the post. And the rest such as "vlad" and TDM here i have no care what they think or hope i think as nothing constructive came from them aside from cheap jabs... The reasonable ones will simply disregard this as simple forum drama...

Step back as a third person mediator. If you think Im whining on this matter because you trying to convince ME that we lost from being ganged up on while raking up kills as their leader chose to legion hop to their buddies leaving his legion mater to burn, then I have no respect for you either.
My crew knows eachother, and we would do it again if we get attacked...

Have fun feeding the flamewar.

You could all ways ask. Or just do it the fun way and attack them. I me come on lest face it alliances are like surprise berth day parties bunch of people who you don't care for show up and make a lot of nose but at the end of the day you got some nice gifts.. aka player kills. I say lest have some surprise to the game whats the fun in being attack by some one with 1.3 times your rank and failing hard then getting smack around like a rag doll for the next few days if some one well over2x your rank is not going to come in out of no where and return the fave. All cause the chump who started it can't finish it or just lay low..... wait... crap did that last sentence just trash my whole argument.