Heh, didn't realize someone had blocked you. I can guess who did though.



Yep, totally worth an alert, and we have no problem with that - we even support the legion alert against Avenge, he deserved it.

Our issue with Caruso is
A: Accusing the whole legion of ganging up on Suits. Most of us can't see his legion, and we're not really a 'gang-up' legion anyways. Ask around.
B: Spamming our bloody comms
C: Accusing Avenge of going against his word when that is clearly not the case
D: Coming to the general GL population for advice when HE started the whole cycle over again - he really shouldn't be surprised that Avenge is hitting him again after finding and disabling Avenge on the Battle Tab.

What no one gets to see is the month long series of accusations from Caruso at us claiming that we're picking on his legion. No one is targeting Suits' members, not even Avenge.

Caruso, we can't be any clearer than that. There is no 'Laying Off' to be done. We can't target you any less. If you don't want Avenge to hit you, STOP HITTING HIM. Every time we get Avenge to stop, you go and hit him again. So we're not going to tell him to stop anymore.



Fair enough - sometimes I feel like being a jerk to certain people. But we're not at war, it's just Caruso vs. Avenge. And it's not really possible to be overly aggressive if you're not doing anything. Once again, we have NO issues with the legion. I just can't imagine that his members are getting good leadership there, and I genuinely want them to have a good time.

and here i thought this thread was about MY legion.. hmm, ill have to step my game up a bit i guess

1 day, 12 hours ago From: DrSpacemann
boo hoo? what is any of your leigon gpoing to do to me?



tk3, I think you might honestly believe what you are saying, but you are absolutely wrong on every account. I don't think you're a liar, I think you are just misinformed. You already stated you did not realized I had been blocked from O Comms, so it is obvious you have not been paying attention to everything that has taken place. I have. Just above, your leader DrSpacemann, posted a threat/challenge to me AND my legion. This was just yesterday. My Legion has been involved in statements like this from your players since Avenge started this entire issue.

And keep in mind, Avenge STARTED this whole thing.

You said that my comms were dealt with quickly and whatever, but that is wrong. I waited two days as my members complained of attacke be Avenge, and I was met with dismissive responses. Your legion said it was not their problem and that we were to deal with it ourselves. So you are saying you responded, but you didn't, and you are simultatneously calling my diplomacy attempts "spam." None of you cared about this problem until I started fighting back. At first your legion stated it would not get involved and that I was to deal with Avenge myself. However, as soon as Avenge started getting hit, I was alerted many from your legion DID get involved. Not to help me at all, but to disable me and zero me for getting a well deserved hit back on Avenge. Badge hits even.

Additionally, you say that Avenge can handle me himself, yet he is alerted me for every badge hit, and vowing to do so. And many of your ranks assail me each time. So if he can handle it himself, why don't you make him, like you originally promised to do!?

tk3 everything you have stated is inaccurate or untruthful.

tk3 the Truce mentioned in the document I posted above was not the Truce you just mentioned. Thas was much earlier, it was the first Truce Avenge and your legion offered. It was that nobody was to hit anybody else. Avenge hit one of my players later. Even if it was the same truce, your statement is irrelevent, because that was an attack on another player, not on me. You still don't have your facts straight. The truce you mentioned did come later, and it was understood that Avenge would no longer zero players that did not attack him. I did attack him, and instead of zeroing me, he alerted me for a bt badge hit. So he violated both truces techinically, but the first was an absolute violation.

None of my facts are inconsistent. I can give you a play by play of everything that happend if you would like. The first truce was sent by Avenge over officer comms, once again showing you have not paid attention to this entire situation.

And its more than JUST the aggression, which I do not think is a legitimate way to play. Its the insults and the challenges. Its everything. He has behaved horribly, and you guys have renigged on every statement of yours. Literally every one. Know what has been said by your leigon before you are going to support them. Your loyalty is admirable, but your facts are lacking.

and here i thought this thread was about MY legion.. hmm, ill have to step my game up a bit i guess

Here is a typical example of his comms to us. Now multiply that by 100 over the course of 14hours a day. You see why I blocked him. The comms were never about a negotiation, just insults and general spammy posts.


[15:31] Caruso (Legion: Suits) > Officers: Now your boy is hiding from a laughable ship. You really respect him for that?
[15:31] Caruso (Legion: Suits) > Officers: Remember when I messaged you guys in the very beginning of this and asked politely to stop him??????
[15:23] Caruso (Legion: Suits) > Officers: Your mate Avenge is a coward and a liar. You should kick him from you legion and show some pride in yourselves

"Everyone" is on your side, because other than Tk none of us have really bothered to explain everything in detail as you have, so they only know one skewed side of the story.

This whole issue has been a huge headache for me, but I guess I will take the time out to explain things.
NOTE: My timing may be a little off, it's been going on for a month and I may have lost track of time. But I am not making anything up, even Caruso can agree on that. Your time is WAY off, not a "little."

Avenge zeroes a suit's player, gets alerted, gets arti spammed and hit. He talks about it in legion comm, he was told to deal with it on his own. Avenge zeroed 3 Suit's players, two of them more than once. He was not alerted for two days. I was communicating with his legion during that time. While I was asking them to have him stop, they were disregarding me, and he was insulting my players and legion.
Our legion rule is, if you hit someone for one red/yellow/blue it is fair, if you do anything more and get alerted you are on your own. -"you are on your own" yet as soon as I retaliated against Avenged, you let him alert me and enforced the alert.
Similarly if someone hits you for all 3 badges, it is fine and NOT alertable. You can retaliate on your own, that's your choice.
If you steal a planet and you get zeroed, you are on your own!
If things last for more than 2 days (what the newsfeed allows) or the officers are contacted we get involved.

Anyways Caruso messaged the officers and Avenge was asked to hold back on attacks, I mediated a truce and I posted on Caruso's wall informing him to hold back on attacks. I personally messaged Avenge on Facebook, asked him to hold back on attacks, he agreed.
Avenge never stopped attacking until the 2 day NAP was set up.

Few hours later Caruso messages us, very rude and defensive, accusing the whole legion of being liars, apparently Avenge broke the truce. Remember earlier when tk3 said Avenge "never" broke a truce?

This has been a theme throughout this whole incident, every time something goes wrong, the WHOLE LEGION is insulted, while only 3-4 people were even aware of what's going on. As most of it was discussed in officer comm. It has mostly been the actions of your officers and leaders, and your officers and leaders represent your legion as a whole.
We still did not take avenge's side, because Caruso was saying one thing Avenge had his version of the story.

At this point TK offered a hard NAP with suits, not only would that take all parties off of each others newsfeed, but it will give a big red message to BOTH legions if the NAP was broken, and it will say who broke it and what offensive action was done. You'd think Caruso - the person being bullied would be more than happy to accept this deal. But NO!
You're darn right. I had given him nearly a full month. I let the NAP pass and the alerts died down. Then I continued my retaliation. Avenge asked for battles, "welcomed the chalenge" and insulted myself and my legion. He violated a truce, and accused me of lying. I am fighting back, just like you claim is my perogative.

He refused it he said he wanted a permanent NAP and permanent protection from Avenge, and he had a list of other demands before accepting the NAP. We don't even have a hard NAP with our training legion, in order to maximize our trade routes and artifact production. The list of other demands was that your players stop fighting his battle for him-which you had originally promised to do, but then reneged as soon as Avenge was attacked.
Why would we have a permanent hard NAP with the legion of a person who has consistently insulted and irritated us?


Finally, Caruso contacted a friend of his, and a 3rd party mediator was called in. Mediator had 2 different conversations one with Caruso and his friend, and one with the leaders and officers (including Avenge) of GC.

WHILE the meeting took place, WHILE this 3rd party was dedicating his time to solve the issue, while all our leaders were spending time to solve the issue... guess what Caruso was doing???
Caruso was sending insulting comms to our legion. All the while claiming to be innocent and playing the bullied. (for this I can provide transcripts- as I sent a copy to the mediator).


The mediator had a hard time dealing with caruso and his stubbornness, he ended the meeting and a 48 hour NAP was put in place.
After the 48 hour period Caruso finds Avenge on his BT and zeroes him. Does that sound like someone who wants to be left alone?
Anyways it was me who blocked Caruso off the legion comm. All we got were insults, and proposals that never went no where. We want to do base battles, plan surge times, discuss other matters, not be babysitting caruso via officer to officer comm.

TK is probably the nicest leader/ player in the legion, it's sad to see him come off as the bad guy here. I on the other hand am not so nice. My patience is limited. I don't think he is the bad guy, as I've stated before, I think he is just misinformed.Anyways our whole legion, patient or not, always tries to nip wars in the bud and deal with things diplomatically. We are not one of those legions looking for war, and given the disparity between the levels of GC players and suits players, they were neither a threat or interest to us. 1 day, 16 hours ago From: DrSpacemann
boo hoo? what is any of your leigon gpoing to do to me? -How diplomatic...

I really do not know what your issue is caruso.
Your screenshots mean nothing, I could steal someone's planet and when they zero me, I can post those logs and say "OMG BIG BAD BULLY LEGION". You have accused us of bullying, you accused avenge of being a cheater (just because he's strong), you've accused us of spying. You have been nothing but a nuisance to us, and unlike you we haven't taken screenshots or copies of all the comms. So You can keep weaving your tale of victimization. You can hire all the help you want. I guess that's what you enjoy more than playing the game. I have NEVER accused him of cheating. He uses a method of disabling himself on bases/elites which does no count toward his disable amount. I don't think this should be a permitted tactic, and I do think it is cowardly, but I never said he was a cheater. You are putting words in my mouth.

If you ever do want to actually play the game, my suggestion would be to reset, find a good legion, 100s of great legions out there, and also spend some time on the wiki learning some of the basics of the game, so you don't think someone with 20K hull at level 150 is a cheater.
Good luck, you will stay blocked off our comms and my personal comm forever.

Guess what Caruso? I'm not bullying you or your legion, i've really lost interest in the whole situation. my gameplay is relatively aggressive, yes, within respectable boundaries, but you need to remember that at the end of the day this is a GAME and should be treated as such.

Get help from stronger players, threaten me, insult my role as officer, call me a 'turtle hiding in his shell', post on forums, whatever, i really couldn't care less. tk and bonny pretty much summed up what I would have said, you were alerted for being annoying, not because i couldn't handle you. yes i don't like that i've been disabled X many times, but guess what? it's bound to happen and it really doesn't mean much, so please quit your bragging while you use 20 arties or so to disable me when i'm not online.

My legion asked me to stop attacking following a truce, i respected that and didn't attack, you decided to carry after on so I alert you purely for being a nuisance, nothing about not handling myself. i'm extremely tired of your whining and claims of vulnerability while in fact i'm off doing other things and you're the one supposedly hunting me down. there were no complaints from you when you disabled me twice without me retaliating, yet as soon as i hit back and share you around with my legion suddenly youre being targeted and bullied.

On one hand you create a thread asking about 'what do i do when the other legion is stronger', yet you yourself have been talking about how youre 'not going to let me get away with it', been 'punishing me', whatever.

TL;DR : You're the one continuing a problem which should otherwise have been over a long time ago. either move on and find better things to do like the rest of the legion and myself have done, or carry on whining about being 'bullied' but don't pretend you didn't ask for the retaliation. i'm done and i bet a lot of my legion members are too.

Oh and thanks to my legion mates for taking the time and effort of setting your story straight. i owe you guys one.