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Lessons From the Dysonian crew
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 Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:17 pm Posts: 3632 Location: Gone. 
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 thunderbolta wrote: Ehh, I'm not so sure Xzien... Well it is better than the current system. You gotta give it that.  _________________  Devastation - Rank 1209 - Proud Officer of Imperium of Namalak |
| Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:04 am |
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Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2010 1:54 am Posts: 1208
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I like the proposed changes Dan. Thank you for responding to your loyal fan base and community.
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| Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:04 am |
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 Joined: Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:30 am Posts: 4230
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As long as we can keep the currant set up, I like it.
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| Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:14 am |
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Joined: Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:56 pm Posts: 8877 Location: Behind you... Stop looking behind you...
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thunderbolta wrote: Ehh, I'm not so sure Xzien... Why not? It's not changing the setup, it's adding more options to it. If you want your current set-up, you can still keep it, which is the beauty of the idea. You can go with it or you can stick with the current way. _________________ P R E L I A T O R||XZIEN Entertainment Extraordinaire ~ Artwork, Writing, Rants, Memes  Golgotha wrote: its the attitude of being willing to take on the shark with the right harpoon that sets you above most |
| Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:16 am |
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 Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:11 am Posts: 5495 Location: Alpha Legion 100
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I like the Democracy suggestion from ya Dan.
_________________ Creator of Alpha Legion 100, The Robot Alliance, Galactic Historian Society, Galactic Entertainment Center, The Guidebook, and Fan-Forums. 2012 Player Of The Year. The Artists' Guild Member. |
| Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:18 am |
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 Joined: Sun May 29, 2011 7:33 pm Posts: 1988 Location: Aboard Blackwood Hall
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itsSoulPLayAgain wrote: As long as we can keep the currant set up, I like it. Yes, my freedom to demote the Pony, shall not be infringed! _________________ DixieLandDelight: Lord SoulPlay's Padawan & Warden of the Chesterton Royal Asylum   |
| Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:26 am |
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 Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:40 am Posts: 2812 Location: Just go north, and keep on going.
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Unsure, if this takes away our ability to make quick decisions, I'm wholeheartedly against it. There are times when things can't wait for the clocks to sync around the world for everyone to cast their vote
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| Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:33 am |
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Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:11 am Posts: 5495 Location: Alpha Legion 100
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Billik wrote: Unsure, if this takes away our ability to make quick decisions, I'm wholeheartedly against it. There are times when things can't wait for the clocks to sync around the world for everyone to cast their vote Your legion can have it set up in a way that suits you guys: webguydan wrote: Currently, legions are setup as hierarchies, with the leader(s) having absolute power. We shelved Legion Governments from the drawing board a while back, but it sounds like its finally time to bring those ideas back to the burner. Here are our current thoughts on a potential change (we can call it governments again for simplicity): Voting Majority (Democracy) - in this mode, all membership-related decisions* require a majority vote from active legion members. Voting Council (Oligarchy) - in this mode, all membership-related decisions* require a majority vote from active officers and leaders. Hierarchy (Empire) - in this mode, actions do not require a vote and the leader(s) have absolute authority to make decisions. [This is the current setup for existing legions] * Membership-related decisions include kicking, disbanding, promotion/demotion, and changing the legion government. Legions would initially choose which type of government they want. When voting, decisions are 'queued' until a vote finishes, and is either accepted by vote, rejected by vote, or rejected due to insufficient votes after a set time passes. A new 'Votes' area will collect these votes from within the legion, and notifications will be sent out via the legion comm. Voting results will remain on record for 30 days. In Voting Majority and Voting Council modes, a 'Nominate Leader' option would also be available, which will vote on an the addition of another Leader. Regarding the many ideas proposed for a cooldown on kicking: though that would certainly be an option, it would only slow down a leader from making decisions that the majority of the legion did not agree with, but it would not prevent it. _________________ Creator of Alpha Legion 100, The Robot Alliance, Galactic Historian Society, Galactic Entertainment Center, The Guidebook, and Fan-Forums. 2012 Player Of The Year. The Artists' Guild Member. |
| Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:38 am |
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 Joined: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:49 pm Posts: 2085
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To clarify, there would be no automatic change to the power structure of existing legions. New legions will have the option to choose a government when they are created, and existing legions can change their government if a leader decides to do so.
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| Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:50 am |
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 Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:52 am Posts: 1742 Location: Bridge of my ship, preparing thousands of my tactical officers for the next battle
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webguydan wrote: To clarify, there would be no automatic change to the power structure of existing legions. New legions will have the option to choose a government when they are created, and existing legions can change their government if a leader decides to do so. can we have a like button here in the forums!!! LIKE!!! _________________ Brains of Battlestation Dysonia Defense  Support "TRADING FEATURE" at http://galaxylegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=12126 |
| Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:59 am |
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Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:11 am Posts: 5495 Location: Alpha Legion 100
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Remric wrote: webguydan wrote: To clarify, there would be no automatic change to the power structure of existing legions. New legions will have the option to choose a government when they are created, and existing legions can change their government if a leader decides to do so. can we have a like button here in the forums!!! LIKE!!! If not +1s are the next best thing  @ Dan when do you think this will be ready for release? _________________ Creator of Alpha Legion 100, The Robot Alliance, Galactic Historian Society, Galactic Entertainment Center, The Guidebook, and Fan-Forums. 2012 Player Of The Year. The Artists' Guild Member. |
| Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:03 am |
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 Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:48 pm Posts: 300 Location: U.S.
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webguydan wrote: Currently, legions are setup as hierarchies, with the leader(s) having absolute power. We shelved Legion Governments from the drawing board a while back, but it sounds like its finally time to bring those ideas back to the burner. Here are our current thoughts on a potential change (we can call it governments again for simplicity): Voting Majority (Democracy) - in this mode, all membership-related decisions* require a majority vote from active legion members. Voting Council (Oligarchy) - in this mode, all membership-related decisions* require a majority vote from active officers and leaders. Hierarchy (Empire) - in this mode, actions do not require a vote and the leader(s) have absolute authority to make decisions. [This is the current setup for existing legions] * Membership-related decisions include kicking, disbanding, promotion/demotion, and changing the legion government. Legions would initially choose which type of government they want. When voting, decisions are 'queued' until a vote finishes, and is either accepted by vote, rejected by vote, or rejected due to insufficient votes after a set time passes. A new 'Votes' area will collect these votes from within the legion, and notifications will be sent out via the legion comm. Voting results will remain on record for 30 days. In Voting Majority and Voting Council modes, a 'Nominate Leader' option would also be available, which will vote on an the addition of another Leader. Regarding the many ideas proposed for a cooldown on kicking: though that would certainly be an option, it would only slow down a leader from making decisions that the majority of the legion did not agree with, but it would not prevent it. +1 _________________ so i am retiring from the forum i was board anyway and there is nothing useful here |
| Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:06 am |
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Joined: Thu May 26, 2011 4:18 am Posts: 36
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If a Legion fails to follow the orders of the leaders. or is having alot of infighting...........
It should fail...... Other wise the whole point of a legion -Is pointless......... There is a point about that -You can loose everything you give to a base in a second....... And more that once... But that issue is more complex to change than is possible. But to spend days voting on a lot of things while others are moving forward. It's the point in being in a good legion with good leaders.Or finding a new one. Can't we all see how-In real life, Leaders that worry over How everyone will vote. Does not work.............. |
| Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:30 am |
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 Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:46 am Posts: 602 Location: Everett, WA
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| Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:05 am |
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Joined: Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:50 am Posts: 208
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As the OP, Dan thank you for for coming here and giving us insight into your plans it is a comfort to know that you accept and understand the gravity of this betrayal and theft.
I for one, and i am sure many others really appreciate your continued efforts. I should point out though that the, part of a cool-down still has merit for the following reasons 1 These decisions to kick players are done out of malicious intent, often in temper it gives time for such tempers to abate 2 It provides for a framework for legions to try encourage the leader to calm down. 3 It provides the ability for legions to regroup rather than be stranded ( like us it took enormous energy to track everyone down to reform our new legion) point 3 is important based on the previous times this has happened when legions had their membership kicked out, Although i love your Governance Idea new and even old guys wont truly have the ability to force their legions to adopt this approach. I would go on to say the single statement that caused this breakup in the first place was the short sentence "Lets have a vote and vote in new leaders" (not an exact quote because i cant remember it) To everyone here i offer some advice, keep a list of your membership possibly emails facebook pages whatever. keep a line of communications open outside the legion, and adopt an emergency plan, people here saw an impending retirement from Rick they never saw this! _________________ Paratex A leader of Ghosts - |
| Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:42 am |
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 Joined: Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:00 pm Posts: 514 Location: On the horizon of a dying star.
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Bilik has a point though. Quick decision would suffer. I would suggest from my other post a cap that sets off a buzzer, sound, ding, or whatever that initiates a need for voting.
Yes, I like nominations, voting on promotions and disbanding, but I think of it this way since the Dysonians are the topic of discussion in this thread: Some sort of government is in place that requires voting on everything by either everyone or the hierarchy rules would be amended to be, if a person begins kicking multiple people, instead of it requiring a vote on the first person, say initiate a vote on the 3rd or 4th person per legion. That way, when a swift kicking is in order, it can be done. On the other hand when a legion is being purged, that leader would most definitely be knocked off the high chair and those that he kicked would be welcomed back. All they'd lose is loyalty, so another idea I would suggest is; a leader who kicks anyone that is then "voted out of position," his/her's recent kickees can come back without loss of loyalty. Like say, 3 people are kicked then the leader gets voted away, those 3 people come back within 24-48 hours (give or take), they would retain the loyalty they had and the amount of time they'd been with the legion.  _________________    wired and inspired Go! Go! Tricky style! |
| Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:48 am |
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 Joined: Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:09 am Posts: 3473
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webguydan wrote: To clarify, there would be no automatic change to the power structure of existing legions. New legions will have the option to choose a government when they are created, and existing legions can change their government if a leader decides to do so. +1. i do like the additional suggestion that there be some oh-so slight benefits to the different types of gov ... maybe affecting the timeframes of various abilities ? Democracy = slowest decision making, +trading benefits, -military benefits ? Oligarcchy = medium-speed decision making (half the vote time as democracies) Empire - fastest decision making, +military benefits , -trading benefits ? this way, there is some trade-off in the type of legion you pick. and some legions can maybe switch gears between these governments depending on whether their base is under attack or not. _________________ Rank 3950 Litheor Governor 100% DCR r385-r2200 GL Marauder #26 _____________  PvP leaderboards: 70212 raids: #1; 40852 kills: #1; 96377 hacks: #3; |
| Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:40 am |
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 Joined: Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:35 pm Posts: 1975
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Predatordronex9 wrote: webguydan wrote: Currently, legions are setup as hierarchies, with the leader(s) having absolute power. We shelved Legion Governments from the drawing board a while back, but it sounds like its finally time to bring those ideas back to the burner. Here are our current thoughts on a potential change (we can call it governments again for simplicity): Voting Majority (Democracy) - in this mode, all membership-related decisions* require a majority vote from active legion members. Voting Council (Oligarchy) - in this mode, all membership-related decisions* require a majority vote from active officers and leaders. Hierarchy (Empire) - in this mode, actions do not require a vote and the leader(s) have absolute authority to make decisions. [This is the current setup for existing legions] * Membership-related decisions include kicking, disbanding, promotion/demotion, and changing the legion government. Legions would initially choose which type of government they want. When voting, decisions are 'queued' until a vote finishes, and is either accepted by vote, rejected by vote, or rejected due to insufficient votes after a set time passes. A new 'Votes' area will collect these votes from within the legion, and notifications will be sent out via the legion comm. Voting results will remain on record for 30 days. In Voting Majority and Voting Council modes, a 'Nominate Leader' option would also be available, which will vote on an the addition of another Leader. Regarding the many ideas proposed for a cooldown on kicking: though that would certainly be an option, it would only slow down a leader from making decisions that the majority of the legion did not agree with, but it would not prevent it. +1 Awesome! _________________ ACREWREVOLT  |
| Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:05 pm |
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Always happy to improve the politics in a game!
"This is not a cheer-ocracy, I am the cheer-tator, I will make the cheer-isions around here, and I will deal with the cheer-onsequences!" - Priscilla, Not Another Teen Movie _________________  8th Level Base Legion, No Minimum Rank Requirement  |
| Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:26 pm |
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Joined: Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:55 pm Posts: 374
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webguydan wrote: To clarify, there would be no automatic change to the power structure of existing legions. New legions will have the option to choose a government when they are created, and existing legions can change their government if a leader decides to do so. Will change be able to be done by any leader, or only the senior leader? |
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