I would like a higher ranking flamehawk that takes only 2-3 shots to kill. You can drop the experience to 0 or make it only reward on crimson amps for all I care.

Some of the legion mission NPCs too, I don't understand why you would make a NPC require 80 min shots to kill. If it the experience, then please just make them like the grivvs and just have them require an action that takes like 200-400 energy before we can hit them instead.

It is painful to NPCs, literally it hurts. Just make them require few hits to kill please.

i saw it not as the exp but the energy cost was supposed to be a minimum of say 400e on the pirates.
i guess you could add something like the energy cost to start an attack, then have a higher level on them.

Spending energy is not the problem, have an art to be used or an action that requires a large sum of energy is fine. Making us click 80 times is not. People have complained about RSIs this is the cause of them and only makes them worse. I don't want to be crippled for playing this game. I stopped NPCing daily because of it. Just a little consideration would be nice.

and yet again, for other similar one click, multiple hits, ill support this idea as well.
Dan, ive got carpal tunnel syndrome, thankfully only mild as of now, but its only going to get worse, there IS no cure besides surgery, and its only going to force me to stop playing the game. same as fluffy.

i'm 19 and i clicked so many times NPCing today that my hand did hurt. to continue off the example provided. if it's a 400 E minimum, one click and 400 E gone and NPC dead. +1

not needed and has been sugested so many time in the past. Yes it sucks but it is the game!

yes and if dan wants his PAYING customers to CONTINUE paying, he should look into changing this. i know im nearing 1K spent, im sure dan wouldnt want to lose me as a customer because hes unwilling to make npcing easier on our bodies.

It is if he wants me to continue to play. There is not a reason to dismiss it as a function of the game. Paying 400 energy in attacks with some experience gained versus using an art that cost 400 energy with 0 gain slows our ranking (which I assume was the point of the legion missions) and requires 75+ clicks fewer.

I do not discredit your Idea. Do not take what I was saying as negative. Was just pointing out it has been suggested time and time again, perhaps the question should be asked to Dan Why.

I have a question, why the complaint about carpel tunnel and wrist pain? No matter how hard the NPCs are to kill you will still use the same amount of clicks in a given npc run. It's the difference of taking 80 clicks to kill one NPC and eighty clicks spread over 20 NPCs. You are still drawing from the same pool of energy no matter what, which equates to exactly the same number of clicks.

because if I was doing a legion mission I would do fewer since I would stop when I have gotten the NPCs needed. If I was going by my buffs that would be true, but I am going by number of NPCs killed.

+1

I stopped NPCing simply because my hand and wrist hurts to high heaven after only about half an hour. Granted, I have a situation that among other things causes difficulty with joints, but this type of pain is only arising from repeatedly clicking.

I understand the idea of "Yes, but people will then auto-rank faster" or "Yes, but you will click the same number of times, just for more NPCs". I semi-agree with the first and disagree with the second. I don't NPC until I fall asleep, when I NPCed I usually did it for a level or two, maybe a little more if it was an event with holiday NPCs. That's fine when you're not high level and it's not too bad on how many NPCs you have to click. Now I have to click a whole lot more than I used to though and I know for others it's even worse.

I don't know what the absolute best solution is. A 3-shot or 5-shot button has been suggested, a "Use energy until done" has been suggested, there are plenty more ideas to consider.

I know that there are more than half a dozen people who haven't stopped long-term NPCing simply because of the pain caused because of how many clicks it takes.

Im not looking to npc for anymore time then I currently do. Id do about one or two ranks of npcing like I do now and spend more time chatting. And I already chat up a storm.

To quote pretty much every other thread involving mission npc's

"If you can't handle it, don't do it"

Anyone else wonder how many of the click-haters sit in front of an Xbox with Red Bulls and Slim Jims and play FPS's for hours on end?

So, because of some situation that might cause pain, we shouldn't be able to play a game? If it were only a few people and only a semi-legitimate reason, then I might agree. A lot of us don't do it because it's painful ... so, your comment adds nothing constructive.




I can't speak for others, but I don't. I also don't "hate" clicking and I'm sure others don't as well. I don't play FPSs, but that's not particularly the point.

Those of us asking for assistance aren't asking for an easier way to autorank or just an easier way to win. It's because of pain caused by all of the clicking.



I'd also like to point out that the muscles involved in clicking and those involved in typing or playing FPSs are not in fact the same. On top of that, the latter involve multiple muscles and not a single one doing all of the work (which will cause more strain on that one muscle or joint). However, clicking involves a small portion of joints and muscles, so when they are repeatedly used without rest is when the pain arises.

To show this, try walking for 10 minutes. Then, try sitting in a chair and repeatedly raising your leg to a fully extended position and then putting it back down for 10 minutes. See which one causes more stress/pain. You will find that the latter causes more pain because the muscles get no rest and the exactly same ones are being used the entire time, whereas when walking you are using many more muscles. This might not make as much sense in words, but do the leg test that I was talking about and you will likely see that using the exact same muscle/joint without rest for 10 minutes is not as enjoyable as walking for 10 minutes.

The same thing can be seen when lifting weights. If you've ever used a full body weight lifter, then you will find that while over the long run you use more energy (it's extended energy and not "burst" energy), in general you feel less strain on a single one muscle or joint.


My only point is that clicking is not the same thing as writing, typing, or doing something else. Clicking is a repetitive motion of a small number of muscles/joints, so those muscle/joints take all of the strain, which is why so many people -will- and -do- experience pain from it. If the only thing people are asking for is a method to mitigate this pain, then what is the issue?

People pull that gem out all the time for "NPCs are rare" that the missions is for "high level people" (An unspecified term).

It's pretty hypocritical that people jump all over this as a good thing and blast others for similar complaints.

It has nothing to do with the rarity of NPCs, nor the level/energy requirement. I want to be able to kill a Xathe entity in 10 or fewer clicks not 85. I already suggested ways that maintain the energy required, experienced gained and the resource spent finding them. Nothing changes except for the amount of times you click.

Nothing about that is hypocritical.

Look at it from our perspective, we dont want to quit the game. We want to keep playing. By changing to a 5*5 (or kill npc) button. We will be able to continu to play our beloved game. Rather then try to play through the pain. And it is a pain. I wake up in the morning and my hand is shooting tingles up my arm. Somedays I cant hold hand tools because of the pain. Eventually im going to need surgery, no two ways about it, but ntil then, id like to continue to play one of my favorite games without pain, or an autoclicker.

Its also not as if im going to autorank all day long on npcs. Im going to put in my hour or three of gaming and if I rank once or twice before that time is up, ill stop. Im not like the morons who intentionally out rank the games content and then #$&*@ about it.so my r anking will be the same, I just wont aggravate my carpal tunnel as much in the process

Well the only way to fix that would be to have a cool down then implemented onto your attack button.

1st option would be the same 5 energy per click.

2nd option would be Triple attack 3x that cost 20 energy and has a 10 sec cool down

And super attack that does 7x damage with crit hits and cost 50 energy with a 20 sec cool down.

The extra energy is charged out of convince. And the cool down is to slow down the fact this will speed up auto ranking and Dan does not want that.

Win win all around you get your pain to go away, and Dan gets to keep the system he has set up for the most part.