As i've stated, the person is such a spiteful person that they only play to make people quit, and have now caused two people to do so.

A name change would not solve the issue, because the victim in this case is on several leaderboards, so it would be obvious to anyone with a brain what his new ign is.

What we're looking at here are two people over rank 1600, so trust me when i say that the aggressor finding him would take no more than a few minutes at best. Just ask any player at those ranks and you'll know how crazy it is to be able to find the same people over and over just be cycling your bt once or twice.

The main problem, as someone else has already mentioned, is trying to prove the intent of the attacker. Unless they are stupid enough to self confess their only goal is to run x,y,z from the game, then I am not sure any other action should be taken. There are some ships I used to hit every day without fail. It wasn't a matter of hate or war or harasement, it was cause they were on the killsboard. Likewise, there could be any number of reasons that would justify hitting the same target all the time; everything from War to KoS.

And even if you didn't have a "good reason," you could still hit someone all the time. Though I personally hold no deep animosity towards anyone, I don't see why folks should be punished even if they did. There's nothing in the ToS that says you have to like every player in the game. So, even if I hit you every day for no other reason than I just dislike you, is that really classified as harasement?

I am opposed to limiting spam cause it is the main way for the lower rank to have a chance at fighting back; else then you will see some real bullying. I have said this before. If the lower rank already feels like they can't hit back, at the very least, they can toss artifacts or CM me. I never have understood why people got so bent out of shape if someone just CM them and went on about their business. People actually got more upset that someone used that one artifact on them than if the person had continued and shot them down. "Blow me out the sky all you want, but you better not simply CM me!" The logic of that astounds me.

One last point. Not only can you halc/calm amp, not only can you fall off the battle log, you can also simply ask the person to stop hitting you. Most people don't want to ask I guess due to pride, but anyone who has flat out requested (not hinted at or beat around the bush) but made an actual request that I stop attacking them, I honored their surrender.

Summary:
proving intention to harass will be difficult
you don't have to like everyone
limiting spam may actual increase high rank bullying
there are already things you can do to limit being attacked

Edit: I forgot to give you props Kirk for bring up this issue. Considering all the frivolous topics we banter about, it was good of you to bring up an important matter to the forums. I do think Cyber bullying is real and no one should feel beat down over a game.

months ago, maybe a year by now, friends of mine, including a few now in EOTS started "old school" badging was fine but NOT the limit. Many people including much if not all of the leaderboards do the same still as regards raids and hacks. Kills too except those are harder to zero of course...

My question is where do you draw the line between Old School and this dbombing you mention... Dbombing btw is annoying but thats just a cage... CMing you say... that just means different buffs...

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying I like someone playing that way, for that matter I don't play that way at all. As a rule I badge and move on unless there's other issues in play. My point is you are on somewhat of a slippery slope there, unless a person admits their intent.

I also have to admit one of the other folk's remarks (pengy? don't recall atm) about ganging up on the fellow should alleviate if not stop... ya you can't stop them from wasting energy short of a disable but wasting E while being hounded in turn doesnt sound like fun either. Assuming you aint talking the biggest baddest ship in space, if you have 5 or more similar rankers hitting him often simultaneously i think that would make a difference no?

My understanding of "old school" is that is is within the spirit of the game but not the "etiquette" of the time, and the main thrust of "old school" was that the overly ritualized play of "just badging" was merely a cultural ethic of newer players that should be done away with. The only analogy from previous, widely discussed Galaxy Legion issues I can think of for what Kirk is referring to is "footballs" where the what is happening is within the game rules but not within the spirit of the game, and even that analogy fail in that footballs are for a competitive edge while what Kirk is referring to is constant harassment due to a long standing, personal grudge that provides no in-game advantage (other than getting one's enemy to quit) and actually puts the perpetrator at an in-game disadvantage (wasting energy, etc.).

Similar to you, outside of a war or base defense, I would never play merely to "harass" someone beyond what I imagine to be the basic intent of the game (by which I mean taking planets; helping to disable bases; and disabling, raiding, and/or hacking up to the action limits). (In all honesty, despite my relatively high position on the leaderboards, I have rarely multi-hit in my career and generally leave a message when I do more than "just badging.") I have a small zero on sight list (one or two players at best), and I do not shut down their game-play. When a previous enemy apologized for his role in our conflict, I immediately stopped all aggression. I "won," he "lost," so I saw no need to continue. What I am imagining from Kirk's description is a perpetrator who continues to engage long after the opponent has obviously retreated (possibly months later). Gunning down escaping women and children in the back is generally considered despicable, but this situation sounds more like continually shooting the corpses long after the killing.

I think I understand your arguments of proving intent and a potential slippery slope, but 1) harassment over a long period could be seen from behavioral patterns, and 2) any punishment or fix would be rare and left completely up to Dan.

Finally, normal punishments (zeroing, ganging up, etc.) do not work on deviants. If their primary objective is to harass a specific player, getting hit in return and not being able to partake in the rest of the game is merely the price of doing business.

In conclusion, I am keeping the slippery slope in mind, but I am concerned that without some sort of safety measures in place for extraordinary situations, Galaxy Legion will keep losing GP spending, community building players while retaining a (several?) player(s) whose goal seems to be to restrict or inhibit any other players from using the game.



In short, assuming the block goes both ways and is solely under Dan's control (not obtainable except through special dispensation by Dan), then yes, Galaxy Legion should have a rarely used way to block a player form seeing you at all.

Depends... I dont agree with this as I can see Many many people spamming dans email with OMG HE MULTIRAIDED ME again or OMG HE BADGED ME A SECOND DAY RUNNING.

This is not the case clearly... This is an extreme case which has been going on for months at a time..

If u were to read from the start of the topic....

Anyways

I know Thats when it should be used. What im saying is that I can see a lot of people thinking those are worthy of reporting to dan

I think Peticks point was that people would not care or at least not be able to judge the difference that well (translation NOOBS running amuck, duck the schmucks!) that they would bombard Dan with pleas for intervention...

There is a side issue which Shinar touched upon I think (mega headache today sorry if i'm sounding flaky for not verifying) and that is coding...

how much of an issue would it be for Dan coding wise to set up this cloak of invisibility between the parties as it were?.... Would it run to their planets as well (it should if you are setting it up so a player can't retaliate genuinely for a theft)

how much of our history is in system atm for Dan to review to see if there's something he believes is harassment ongoing based on reports?

no offense to anyone but this needs more than just player 1 along with players 4, 7-18, 29 and 125 all state player 3 is harassing player 1. Otherwise its too easy to abuse on the flip (just think of it, Negron, Mento, Blitz and several other uber smashers could get banned just on a claim if we go by this standard... even I can admit that could be tempting under some circumstances).

It would be interesting if Dan came up with a temporary arti to deal with this but i suspect that would lead to too much abuse and protest (e.g. i do a mission, get the Vygoid worm, for 100 E I can use it against any ship on my alerts to make my ship invisible for 24 hours to them so long as I do not steal a planet of theirs or act aggressively towards them or guard a planet they are/can attack.) given the ramifications. If he does do this it should only be allowed for one at a time to be used.

It would be interesting if Dan came up with a temporary arti to deal with this but i suspect that would lead to too much abuse and protest (e.g. i do a mission, get the Vygoid worm, for 100 E I can use it against any ship on my alerts to make my ship invisible for 24 hours to them so long as I do not steal a planet of theirs or act aggressively towards them or guard a planet they are/can attack.) given the ramifications. If he does do this it should only be allowed for one at a time to be used.[/quote]


loves this idea +1 think there should be a time limit on it though example possibly 40 hours or 48 hours to do the mission also includes only 1 use of the artifact for a 24 hour period so once used you can now be seen by player again for another 24 hours before your able to do mission again easy solution dan does not get spammed with non stop messages of people claiming there being bullied

How about a new trap or even change the halc trap or add a new ability.

Person A does 5 hostile actions against person B (raiding, art spamming, hacking, disabling), the trap goes off! No more actions can be taken against person B for 24 hours.

Or ability to "flux" yourself off the BT for 10-20 hours.

I think there should be an in game fix instead of dog piling Dan's email.

^Agreed.

I hate to sound like I am equivocating, because I do think this is an important matter and I don't think people should be run off from the game, but I just think in game solutions can be found. If a person makes a choice not to use one of the options currently available for them, then it makes it harder for them to make the case for change. Blitz bro, you know I have taken up for you before, but how can one reasonably argue that they want to engage in pvp, but not be hit? If I could hit x,y,z legion and at the same time stop one of their biggest strongest ships from hitting back; well the potential for abuse is astounding. Someone mentioned a temporary "stand down" type of artifact or an actual "surrender" button; those might be decent possibilities in keeping with the spirit of a war game.

Now I will agree with you on this point Blitz, it is bad for business if Dan loses either too many long time loyal people OR any of the fresh new blood who feel they can't defend their planets/ ships/ bases. If I felt like I had no hope of building up anything, I certainly wouldn't put in the HOURS it takes to make even a decent rock/ bird.

You know what's pathetic blitz,the way you come on the forums and cry looking for sympathy after all the bs you have done and caused,you are reaping what you have sown,I left you alone for quite a while and you continued to run your mouth and cry about s so now every chance I get I will stick my boot in it,don't like it try farmville,you can't flip out and boot all your friends in that game so win win.

I'm against that, you can't block someone from attacking you.

" this is a war game, so we expect to be badged and have planets stolen from us... and so on and so forth...."
Come on. Expect consequences for those actions, too.

FIRST, ME:
When I steal a good planet from someone, I should fully expect to be smacked with endless attacks by their entire legion for at least 2 days -- maybe even much more.
That's consequences to actions, NOT harassment!

When I constantly disable, raid and hack players from a legion which I KNOW has fiercely protective members, I only don't expect the vicious smackdown the FIRST time I do it. But I should fully expect that vicious smackdown the next time I do the same thing.
That's consequences to actions, NOT harassment!

NOW, YOU:
When YOU steal a good planet from someone, YOU should fully expect to be smacked with endless attacks by their entire legion for at least 2 days -- maybe even much more.
That's consequences to actions, NOT harassment!

When YOU constantly disable, raid and hack players from a legion which YOU KNOW has fiercely protective members, YOU only don't expect the vicious smackdown the FIRST time I do it. But YOU should fully expect that vicious smackdown the next time YOU do the same thing.
That's consequences to actions, NOT harassment!

See how this works the same for everyone??? OK? OK! Just stop hitting The Honey Badgers and you won't be "harassed" as you call it. You can keep doing what you're doing, but obviously, there will continue to be consequences for those actions. OK? OK!

Having Dan sort this out will bog down time Dan can spend making new content.

How about a ship mod that grants an ability with a 1 week cool-down.
Target ship can't attack or hit your ship with artifacts for 4 days.
You can not attack or arti that ship or attack their planets.
You can not use this ability if you have done something offensive towards this player in the last week.