"Exploiting things" as implemented is what gets people banned.

Your argument that using something as implemented may get you banned is full of crap~

as for your insistence that I think all artifacts should act the same but don't~
This is the exact same argument that you are putting forward. "Everything but this and one other thing does it this way, therefore those two are wrong and must be changed because I feel cheated and want more stuff"

btw, calling someone a kid when you're acting like a 15year old using nebulous and circular logic is fairly dumb in all honesty~

now, I have better things to do than argue with someone who changes the crux of their complaint. First it was that it's not working properly, now it's "oh please give me a reason why it doesn't work how I want it to".

Good day to you~

*shrug* Who's to say what is "exploiting" something? It wasn't really an argument anyway, just saying that "working as implemented" doesn't mean much.



I'm saying 2 structures should work the same as other structures; you're saying all structures should work the same as other artifacts. I'm saying that there are 2 aberrations and dozens of correctly-functioning structures, you're saying there are dozens of aberrations and only 2 correctly functioning structures. The difference is, I'm saying the majority of structures are the precedent, whereas your arguments suggests only 2 structures are the precedent.

Your argument was that this is working correctly because it works like artifacts and is built from an artifact, and thus should work like an artifact. That means all but this and the Landing Platform are working incorrectly, because many structures are built from artifacts and do not work like this. Thus, you're saying dozens of structures are working incorrectly, and only these two are working correctly.

I'm saying that this is a structure, not an artifact, and therefore it shouldn't work like an artifact, which historically structures have not. That means that only this and the Landing Platform are working incorrectly. Thus, I'm saying only two structures are working correctly, and dozens are working incorrectly.

Which should Dan change, dozens of structures, or these two?



Not one thing I've said is nebulous or circular. I laid out my points clearly, and clearly refuted your only relevant point.



I haven't changed anything; I said it doesn't work like other structures, and it either should work like them or be labelled differently from them, I added the fact that it could be poorly labelled quite some time ago.

Well, there's one question on my mind: Why in the hell would Dan implement something like this? It seems like a stupid idea, if you ask me.

It's obviously a glitch, don't deny the fact. We all know that Dan is lazy when it comes to fixing bugs. He's going to leave this one, too, for three years, just like he did with Planet Cloak.

Of course, we could go with Ryoko's dumbass suggestion that structures are just artifacts and should work like applied effects, and Dan can change more than a hundred structures to work like this one. That would be helpful.

Or we could go with Arbiter's conformity idea that EVERYTHING MUST BE THE SAME!

Leave the two artifacts as they are, they aren't particularly hurting anyone~ you just want extra from your item which is fairly understandable, however demanding that everything must work the same is =dare I say it= Not working as intended

Also where did I say that I think Dan should change ANYTHING? Nowhere my intellectually challenged arbiter~

I see why you like that name btw, because you think you'll get the final say on topics not in your control~

The name is from Halo; there's enough stupidity in your on-topic "arguments" as it is, you don't need to try to add more by going off-topic.

Also, again, I don't think I have final say, I just think it isn't clear in-game and thus can reasonably be posted here.

Again, Dan hasn't even said he thinks it's working as intended; in fact, his post suggested he didn't even realize it worked like this, so I'm not sure where you get off trying to get me to back down from posting in Issues and Support.

You didn't say it, you just implied that most structures weren't working correctly when you said structures made from artifacts should work like the Bunker. I know the idea of an implication might be a little over your head, though.

Not everything needs to be the same, but everything labeled in the same manner should behave the same way. Inconsistency is a mark of poor development and low production value. They don't have to be the same, unless the devs want the game to look like a polished game, rather than a work in progress.

Look, you're wasting your time trying to make me think I don't know what I'm doing in an argument. I got an almost perfect score on the GRE, high enough that my Master's program gave me $25k to attend, tied with one person for the highest they've ever given anyone. I got that because I can make people like you look like idiots without even trying. The fact that you can't understand that doesn't make it less so. I am genuinely not concerned that I've overstepped the boundaries of logic and reason and you somehow have a stronger position than me. You don't, and I know you don't, because I know what I'm doing and I'm better at it than most people.

You can say whatever stupid things you want, the facts are as I have laid them out:

The Raix Bunker doesn't work like a structure. It is a structure. It is labeled the same as other structures. If it doesn't work the same, this is an inconsistency in the labeling. Inconsistency in design is a sign of poor development and low production value.

Inconsistencies can be changed in one of two ways: changing the labeling, or changing how it works.

I think, and the fact that Dan has refused to say otherwise leads me to continue believing this, that how it works should be changed.

However, I couldn't argue if the labeling were somehow changed to make it clear that this is intentional.

All counter arguments are easily refuted:

This is the way artifacts that apply effects work, and this structure is made from an artifact. - This implies that all structures built from artifacts should work this way. This might be the case, but it does still mean there is an inconsistency, because all but two of them don't work like this.

The Landing Platform was implemented like this also. - This has been reported as an Issue as well, and Dan also refused to say this was working as intended. Instead, he simply said they would look into it.

It was implemented this way. - This just says it does work like this. "Does" does not imply "should".

The fact that it is inconsistent, and the fact that there are no reasonable counter arguments, leaves a reasonable doubt as to whether or not this is working. If the devs don't want to fix it then fine, if they want to say it is working as intended then fine, but there is no reason this shouldn't be in Issues and Support until something clears up the issue.

The raix bunker is an artifact so it works like an artifact. I don't see the build option in the build new structure tab do you?

Did you know I can make up whatever the hell I please on the internet too?

Here goes nothing~ *stretches*

Hi, I'm Ryoko~ I'm the chief director of Nasa, the NSA and Charley fecking Chalks. I'm on a 20million dollar salary paid every week in cheeseburgers, hookers and model spaceships. I'm so smart that all IQ tests say N/A with every qualification known to man, and several known to martians~

The fact that you think you're better than most other people is simply because I let you think you are~

-Now, onto a more serious tone-

I am a games developer, and if GL was my game~ You'd be gone, as would several other players for the presumption that the dev team is your own personal dancing monkey~

There have been several threads where Dan has replied to the OP with clarification or an update on progress, only for the next few weeks to have more threads popping up complaining that "their" thread didn't get replied to either. Dan likely has very limited time to check the forum and reply to people, this is because he is likely(hopefully anyway) working on new content for the next bi-weekly, creating new legion missions and play-testing his latest creations.

Dan can likely either reply to every thread created ever, or do the job you so pointlessly deride him over on his performance as your dancing monkey.


My advice, take your "I am better than thou" attitude, and shove it right up your ass~ maybe you'll feel a sensation beyond self assured superiority and become just a little more human in the process~

Okay, so does the A.I. Emotion Core work like that too? The Adaptive Spire? The Adumbrate Station? The Affection Disseminator? The Akulan Gas Ingestor? The Alarri Comm Tower? The Alarri Compound Turret? The Alarri Signaling Drone? The Antimatter Drill? The Archaic Stasis Cells? The Assimilation Locus? The Astrobiology Ward?

The Barrier Nexus? The Bioship Gene Lab? The Bioship Landing Platform?

The Capture Crimson Base? The Captured T.O. Harvester? The Chron Shifter? The Cloning Center? The Convoy Heat Seeker? The Crimson Phase Launcher? The Crimson Rift Aperture?

The Dark Anti-Beacon? The Dark Pylon Shifter? The DM79 Datacenter? The Domain Walker? The Drannik Databank?

The Ergosphere Filter?

The Galactic Concord Station? The Galakis Transport? The Guarded Memorial?

The Hall of Extreme Torment? The Heist Dispatch Center? The Human Training Barracks? The Hypergate? The HyperSensor Satellite?

The Interrogation Center? The Interrogation Stronghold? The Intraphasic Hoveroid?

The Klorvis Troop Gateway?

The Lazuli Darkmine Cluster? The Lazuli Pylon? The Lepus Hatchery? The Litheor Core-Tunnel?

The M.O.T.H.E.R.? The Meta-Tuned Jammer? The Modified Grid-Pyllon? The Mylarai Stripcore Mine?

The Omnibase? The Orbital Stabilizer?

The Perimeter Station? The Permafrost Sub-Network? The Phase Cutter? The Polaron Emitter? The Prejor Beacon Jammer? The Processing Core?

The Quantum Hydro-Meliorator?

The Refining Lab? The Relay Tower? Rikthar's War Forge? The Sarkonis Headquarters? The Scruuge Calibration Chamber? The Scruuge Hovertank? The Sha'din Hyperport Network? The Sha'jha Uplink? The Silthion T-Plasma Vesicle? The Space Elevator? The Spy Uplink? The Statue of the Magnus? The Symbiont Test Lab?

The T.O. Grid Barrier? The T.O. Manufacturing Core? The T.O. Omnispanner? The Temple of Reflection? The Trellith Comm Relay? The Tri-Phase?

The Uldri Anomaly Crystal? The Uldri Recovery Capsule? The Uldri Spacial Marker?

The Vaash Holomatrix? The Ventar Field Collapser? The Voliir Transgenic Lock? The Vorean Habitat?

The Warp Gate?

The X-Pulse Tower? The XRP Warp Inhibitor? The XTS-10 Injector Chassis?

The Zolazin Analyzer? The Zolazin Void Tower?

I mean, those are all artifacts, so they all work like artifacts, right?! I mean, you'd have to be a complete jackass to repeat Ryoko's fallacy if they didn't.

You can make up whatever the hell stupid #&$# you want to. I'm quitting this stupid game as soon as I can give some stuff my Legion, I don't give a #&$# that you don't believe me.

If you would take a second to look around, did I really keep bugging Dan to respond? No, I only keep replying because you assholes came on here pretending you know what the $%&% is working and what isn't. If you guys hadn't kept coming here with your stupid "arguments" I would have left it alone, knowing it was unlikely I'd actually here from him.

I never acted like the devs were my "dancing monkey", I just posted a possible issue and responded to assholes trying to insult me (and failing due to their stupidity).

I am better than you, because I don't troll Issues and Support just to be an asshole to someone when I don't even know if it's an issue or not.

I quit the forum weeks ago and made a new account in order to avoid assholes like you. Not just "like" you, you were one of them in particular. I can't believe you people found me again in Issues and Support of all places. I just can't imagine how much this forum wouldn't suck without you people. This post could've just died off like so many other Issues, but you couldn't let that happen, you had to prove that you're both an idiot and an asshole. I just can't believe I'm stuck here arguing with you pathetic people again over something that could've just been left alone. But I see now that that can never be the case, the assholes have won the forum.

If it really isn't an issue, but you don't know for sure, couldn't you people have just left it alone? Did you really need to say anything, when you don't know anything? Was any of this necessary?

No. You jackasses have to butt in where you don't belong for no reason except to try to prove you're better than someone, and of course, fail. If Dan does do anything about this thread, I hope it isn't fixing the Raix Bunker, I hope it's banning assholes like you.

If you're quitting, then what the ever loving pisswaffles was this about anyway?

Why should you care that an artifact doesn't conform to your interpretation of the game laws?

Also~ Confucius say "He who resorts to name-calling and dickery is invariably the true asshole~"

I wasn't quitting, but I'm so sick and tired of these stupid arguments that I am now. I really thought I could avoid you people.

It isn't my interpretation; it's labeled a certain way and doesn't work that way, that is all.

Also~ Confucius say "He who resorts to name-calling and dickery is invariably the true asshole~"

But I guess it's like a lecturer of an idiot I once had the extreme misfortune of dealing with once said:

"Those with a vested interest in the outcome of a discussion will use conjecture, speculation and grand generalization in order to win the argument"

It is good to see you finally dropped the whole "they're artifacts, so they should work like artifacts" thing, that was pretty dumb. It's nice to see you sticking to rhetoric to try to make yourself seem smart, I think that's about where you belong.

Again, nobody knows if this is working as intended, so where the $%&% do you assholes get off bugging me about this? If you have some sort of information that hasn't been posted, then post it. If you have some sort of point that you think actually holds water, then post it. If you have proof that this isn't an issue then post it, if you don't then it might be an issue and stop being an asshole because you think everything is perfect the first time it's made (which it isn't).

Hah, I didn't even think to look before, a rank 583 Fixer? Do you even know how this game works? Dear God, I can't believe I've had some n00b harassing me this whole time.

I gotta admit, that's a good job you did, I thought you were serious this whole time.

Pssst, if I was so much of an asshole that you made a new forum account just to escape dealing with me, then why the hell did you start getting snarky with me? Why provoke me? You obviously know me so well, you were looking for this~

Saddening that you still haven't dropped the whole "It's a structure that provides '?' defense, it's the same as the rest of them!" thing

It provides Defense.

Honestly, this thread was gone to #&$# anyway, you weren't the first dumbass on here with poorly thought out arguments and, unless Dan actually posts or it gets locked, I doubt you'll be the last. Of course, Dan has commented on the issue at least 3 times, but he didn't post in this thread I guess it doesn't count.

Oh, and you might not have seen my edit, but you've been rumbled:

Hah, I didn't even think to look before, a rank 583 Fixer? Do you even know how this game works? Dear God, I can't believe I've had some n00b harassing me this whole time.

I gotta admit, that's a good job you did, I thought you were serious this whole time.

I wish I could go back in time and kill you all before you posted on here. You're too stupid for it to make too much of a difference anyway, unless one of you happens to step in front of a bullet that would otherwise kill the president or something. Still, it would probably be worth it. $%&% off and die in a fire, and take your stupid fallacies and confirmation bias and rhetoric with you.

And yes, of course I replied, I didn't want you stupid $%&% messing up this thread. It was just possibly an issue, and the fact that Dan has said "They'll look into it" suggests as much. You should've just left it die since you have no idea what the hell is working correctly and what isn't.