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That is right people, if you have a planet on scan but can not take it we can come in, for a fee, to kill the entire population and take it for you. If you are interested in learning more about how we take the heat so you can have your sweet continue to read on! :)

Prices:
Traveling Fee - FREE
Abandon or unprotecting the planet - Free
If it has special structures on it - No Extra Cost*
Planets that are 10x artifact or below - 7,000 CTP OR an agreed upon equivalent of it in EM
For each additional 1x above 10x - Add 1,000 CTP OR an agreed upon equivalent of it in EM

EXAMPLE: 15x would cost 12,000 CTP while a 22x would cost 19,000 CTP.

* Structures may be taken off if agreed on by both parties. If agreed then 600 CTP per structure removed from the planet will reduce the second half of the payment. EXAMPLE: 2 structures are removed from the planet, 1,200 CTP is deducted from the second half of payment.

Rules and guidelines:
We do not have many but to make sure all goes smoothly we do have to have some so here they are.....

1) There will be NO UPFRONT FEE. After the planet is taken successfully fifty percent will be payed to the assassin then the other half will be payed once the assassin drops the planet or the client takes the planet. This is not anything personal as it will be applied to everyone, it is simply to insure at least part of the payment is made if any attempt to stiff us happens.
2) You must send a friends request so we can keep track of what we still from who.
3) No Hiring us to steal back a planet you sold. If we suspect anything funny we hold the right to hold the planet until we can contact the previous planet owner. If a dispute happens over if the planet was sold to them by the player hiring us we reserve the right to hold the planet for two additional days to give that player time to prove it. If no proof can be given then the player hiring us will be given the planet.
4) We reserve the right to refuse service based on any of the following factors....
~ 4.a) If the player is known to stiff others on deals.
~ 4.b) If the planet owner is a personal ally....note that no attempt to inform them will be made but we reserve the right to not take our allies planets.
~ 4.c) If the person becomes hostile or offends us in anyway before the deal is made we reserve the right to refuse service.
~ 4.d) if the person becomes hostile or offends us after the service is complete we reserve the right not to work with them again.
5) This service is aimed at those wishing to keep the planet for them self. We will steal for those wanting to resell it however more often then not planets auctions include enemy owned without much of an issue so doing so would be slightly redundant.

If you have any questions or comments leave them below, in my PM box on Facebook profiles....

https://www.facebook.com/GDs.Freelance.Webdesign - Me

Assassin Information:
We currently have multiple assassins with an attack range from 70,000 to 100,000. All assassins are willing yo travel to perform the "hit". If anyone has anything else they would like to know more about the assassins, excluding who they are, or if you are interested in becoming one yourself feel free to read a bit more about it via the link below....

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Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:51 pm
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Very good idea you have, I'll be sure to mention this to my Legion mates


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Zeno Effect wrote:
That is right people, if you have a planet on scan but can not take it we can come in, for a fee, and kill the entire population and take it for you. If you are interested in learning more continue to read on! :)

Prices:
Traveling Fee - FREE
If it has small moons or ruins on it - No Extra Cost
If it has special structures on it - No Extra Cost*
Planets that are 10x artifact planets - 8K CTP
For each additional 1x above 10x - Add 800 CTP
For planets with rings or large moons - Add 1,500 CTP

So if the planet is 9x or less with no rings/large moons then its free?

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Zeno Effect wrote:
That is right people, if you have a planet on scan but can not take it we can come in, for a fee, and kill the entire population and take it for you. If you are interested in learning more continue to read on! :)

Prices:
Traveling Fee - FREE
If it has small moons or ruins on it - No Extra Cost
If it has special structures on it - No Extra Cost*
Planets that are 10x artifact planets - 8K CTP
For each additional 1x above 10x - Add 800 CTP
For planets with rings or large moons - Add 1,500 CTP

So if the planet is 9x or less with no rings/large moons then its free?


No, then it is not considered high enough for the service. It must be 10x or higher to be worth taking and dropping.

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Well... tbh I wouldn't consider using this service and it seems incredibly overpriced. a 15x arti world would be valued at 12k ctp to invade, despite the fact its only worth 15-20k ctp. That leaves the price this service charges at 60-80% of the planets value, even more considering if you fail, that despite everything theres at least a 10% chance of then half the fee is likely to be lost. That rate seems unjustifyable and extortionate. I dont want to seem like im just trying to smash this idea into the ground but in its current state I would honestly have to say anyone who uses it would be foolish.

Also, it seems unjustifyable that the price charged scales with the planet quality. if it was a flat fee, or a fee based on population then it would make sense but there is no logical reason for it to have to cost more for a better planet to be used. How does invading a 10x arti world differ from a 15x arti world for the assasin?

If you scan a planet that would be considered worthy under this service then even if you make it yctm only then you would likely get a greater ctp value if you sold the scan than used this service.

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Awful, just awful.

You want to charge players a minimum of 4k ctp up front, and expect to keep that 4k ctp, even if you guys fail the invades or fail to take the planet.

What if the owner is online and rift traps, then what you gonna do? You have no way to keep trying.

What if all of your guys that travel to try fail?

Or what if the owner bricks said planet with 15k population and uses a vortex deflector, no way your 72k atk player is gonna get that planet, because of the energy requirements.

This is just a self serving way to make ctp, without any justifiable reason for the extortionate costs, let alone the ransom of ctp before any attempt is made. Such a ransom fee, is just as bad if not worse then those who sell enemy planets, and expect to get paid even if the invader fails.

If a player scans a planet they cannot invade themselves, they should sell the planet scan and pocket the ctp for themselves, and carry out the sale ASAP., and pocket the full value of the planet so they can buy themselves just as nice a planet when they are capable.


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well my biggest concern here is that its rather failish ..... I mean it was edditted out but was 72k attk - now that has good odds with 30-40k def but above that its quite low and charging 50% upfront when most of the planets people really would use this service for has alot more defense is well harsh...


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Peticks wrote:
Well... tbh I wouldn't consider using this service and it seems incredibly overpriced. a 15x arti world would be valued at 12k ctp to invade, despite the fact its only worth 15-20k ctp. That leaves the price this service charges at 60-80% of the planets value, even more considering if you fail, that despite everything theres at least a 10% chance of then half the fee is likely to be lost. That rate seems unjustifyable and extortionate. I dont want to seem like im just trying to smash this idea into the ground but in its current state I would honestly have to say anyone who uses it would be foolish.

Also, it seems unjustifyable that the price charged scales with the planet quality. if it was a flat fee, or a fee based on population then it would make sense but there is no logical reason for it to have to cost more for a better planet to be used. How does invading a 10x arti world differ from a 15x arti world for the assasin?

If you scan a planet that would be considered worthy under this service then even if you make it yctm only then you would likely get a greater ctp value if you sold the scan than used this service.


22x Colossal with large moons and decked out with special structures, this being the best on board in most cases, will cost 15,100. Any planet like this will easily cost well over twice that so the better the planet the better the deal you get on it being taken.

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well my biggest concern here is that its rather failish ..... I mean it was edditted out but you said "we have over 72k attk" so that makes it sound like a collaborative attk power of your assassins - now that will fail on almost all planets that are worth using this service since thats not even the atk power per person that tries but combined... and what no legion will have so much space as to invite all your assassins to try out their luck with their combined 72k attk - means legions will have to temp make space as well as your assassins inevitably fail at low odds... Planets that are really worth taking are either invisible via cloak or have tons of def - and Im sorry a combined attk power of 72k is just meh. And then we still have to pay 50% up front for inevitable fails?


That is one person, not combined. It would be foolish to combine att since only one person can try at a time. Thought I clear that up before others believe your assumption on the att power of the assassin.

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I have a couple of 22x MC planets decked out with special structures. I attempt to maximise arti production and I've checked the attack/defence on them including legion bonus.

One is 106844 and the other is 77509. I don't imagine that they are atypical.

To confidently offer this service then you would need to have a single player with a buffed attack of 250K or more.

Additionally as people have said the amount of money you are looking for is a very serious cut into the value of the planets. I imagine I could sell a scan on a 100K def 22x MC for considerably more than the current market value minus your fee.

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Taking all your feedback into consideration this will be revised and shelved for now. Note that this is not something anyone has offered before so it is new ground being walked on and no one is trying to "extort" anyone, as it has been said a couple times.

NOTE: This is for those wanting the planet for them self who can not take it, not for those selling it in auction.

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Peticks wrote:
Well... tbh I wouldn't consider using this service and it seems incredibly overpriced. a 15x arti world would be valued at 12k ctp to invade, despite the fact its only worth 15-20k ctp. That leaves the price this service charges at 60-80% of the planets value, even more considering if you fail, that despite everything theres at least a 10% chance of then half the fee is likely to be lost. That rate seems unjustifyable and extortionate. I dont want to seem like im just trying to smash this idea into the ground but in its current state I would honestly have to say anyone who uses it would be foolish.

Also, it seems unjustifyable that the price charged scales with the planet quality. if it was a flat fee, or a fee based on population then it would make sense but there is no logical reason for it to have to cost more for a better planet to be used. How does invading a 10x arti world differ from a 15x arti world for the assasin?

If you scan a planet that would be considered worthy under this service then even if you make it yctm only then you would likely get a greater ctp value if you sold the scan than used this service.


22x Colossal with large moons and decked out with special structures, this being the best on board in most cases, will cost 15,100. Any planet like this will easily cost well over twice that so the better the planet the better the deal you get on it being taken.


Yeah and when your guys all fail, they'll be out 7.5k ctp and your guys won't have lost anything.

Lest we even discuss the chance if finding such a planet, lest we discuss the abysmal chances of succeeding on a planet if the max attack your best guys have is 72k attack. Well done, that player has a 90% chance at planets with 24k defense or less.

If a player found a colossal 22x Gaia w large moons, and it had just 24k defense, or even 50 k defense, I'd tell them to sell the planet, because if the defenses are that awful, they would have people queuing up willing to pay 30 k ctp or more for that planet.


This is just a ctp making scheme, and a pretty obvious one at that.


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When you say scheme do you mean scam? Are you saying there's no real intent to deliver on the service, it's just to grab the upfront fee and say "Sorry, you knew the risks!"

I'd say that's a touch more cynical than my view of it, I think it's just a service that Zeno won't be able to effectively deliver, with no realistic customer base, for too much CTP. More ill thought out than malicious.

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When you say scheme do you mean scam? Are you saying there's no real intent to deliver on the service, it's just to grab the upfront fee and say "Sorry, you knew the risks!"

I'd say that's a touch more cynical than my view of it, I think it's just a service that Zeno won't be able to effectively deliver, with no realistic customer base, for too much CTP. More ill thought out than malicious.


No when I say scheme, I meant scheme.

Either way if they succeed or fail they get ctp out of it. Odds are high that most of the time, with planets as good as the op suggests they would aim for, failure is more likely, so they get half ctp most of the time for not succeeding.

So it's a way if raising ctp using a minimal risk for maximum reward sort of deal.


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Most players would this this for their legion mates just saying. I've taken/dropped a c 15 arti gaia with rings and a 34x arti dyson for roughly 3k CTP combined. Taken a few others as well and if it has a cloak bonus arti ithe planet may be free. Other legions with more high ranked players may do this as well and have a better chance.


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Only way I would take this service is if payment was made AFTER (100%) planet was abandoned and taken by the client.


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It has been revised after taking everything everyone in the forum, in my personal message and the other person I am working with and this is the newly revised version. Remember people this IS NOT for those wanting to sell the planets we take though we wont refuse service if that is their plan, this IS NOT a scheme to get "rich" quick and this IS NOT here to rip people off. What this IS here for is to give people the option to take those planets they otherwise may not be able to. Of course we charge a fee since this is not a charity but we do want to charge reasonably so that everyone walks away happy.

Those of you provided constructive criticism, I would like to genuinely say thank you. To those of you who have done nothing but try to discredit this as a scheme, extortion or anything else of such a unproductive negative nature meant to solely detur people from using this service for whatever your reasoning is please move on, thank you. :)

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Updated for clarification and adjusted to include below 10x planets.

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I don't think payment after planet delivered is a great idea either. I think a deposit should be placed on the service. A percentage of what the total will be. Say 1/3. If the planet is taken and proof delivered to the customer (screenshot of the planet being owned by the person taking the planet for the customer) then another 1/3 be paid. Then last but not least once the planet has been delivered to the customer the final 1/3 be paid.

If the attempt is unsuccessful then there can be a certain fee (flat rate: covering the cost of energy used, arti used.) associated with attempting to take the planet but the rest be returned to the customer.

I agree at this stage this concept should be worked on to provide a risk free service to the customer.

Keep giving Zeno ways to improve this concept and hopefully this will become a reality as I can see the merit in such a service.

Good luck Zeno.


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Would you charge extra depending on pop? e.g. how much would it cost for you to take down a planet that has 300k pop and 160k defense?


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