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Tree7304 wrote:
I am flat out asking anyone to compare their bases to that of one of our scan legions.

Let's see what AU can do in a week vs what one of our scan legions does.
1 week comparison? 2 weeks? Month?

15jul2014 - 33 total attackers from 5 legions on level 6 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 6, 6 - 10: 5, 11 - 20: 4, 21 - 30: 3, 31 - 40: 2, 41 - 50: 1
level 6+ base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 15th

2. Samurai7 Ancient Untouchables 1554 - 6
3. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 1200 - 6
5. Lust7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 6
7. QuietusMaximus Ancient Untouchables 600 - 5
9. SimpleSimon Ancient Untouchables 600 - 5
22. Praetorian Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
24. Envy7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
25. Siege Perilous Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
26. BoomBlaster Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
27. Damodred Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
29. XQwErTy Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
31. Herman56565 Ancient Untouchables 504 - 2

AU totals: 48 silvers; 5+ massive base crates (-1 due to soft.kick for overhit before ffa time)

15jul2014 - 28 total attackers from 4 legions on level 5 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 5, 6 - 10: 4, 11 - 20: 3, 21 - 30: 2, 31 - 40: 1
level 5 base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 12th

3. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 520 - 5
5. Damodred Ancient Untouchables 260 - 5
7. XQwErTy Ancient Untouchables 260 - 4
8. Techion Ancient Untouchables 260 - 4
11. Bartok Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3
12. Hudson Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3
13. Dav14 Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3
14. Killer3000 Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3
16. Johnnyb Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3
19. JediPotato Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3
20. BoomBlaster Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3
26. GrimRage Ancient Untouchables 233 - 2

AU totals: 41 silvers; 6+ large base crates


15jul2014 - 28 total attackers from 5 legions on level 6 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 6, 6 - 10: 5, 11 - 20: 4, 21 - 30: 3, 31 - 40: 2, 41 - 50: 1
level 6+ base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 15th

3. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 1200 - 6
5. QuietusMaximus Ancient Untouchables 600 - 6
6. Thorson Ancient Untouchables 600 - 5
8. JediPotato Ancient Untouchables 600 - 5
16. Siege Perilous Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4
19. Techion Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4
21. Envy7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
23. Johnnyb Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
25. Toymaker Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
27. Wrath7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3

AU totals: 42 silvers; 4+ massive base crates (+1 from cuniculus)

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When it comes to silvers gained, activity is more important however the scan legions have the advantage either the frequent 7s and even 8s offer large sums of silvers. For base crates. Soloing glass 5s and 6s give more crates total. Scan legions get more colossal crates which have a much better crystal yield.

Senatorhung, you are unfairly comparing base crate count. Yes the scan legions have far fewer 100% raid chances but they also aren't hitting level 5 bases or lower. They are hitting a lot more 7s than you seem to do. Are you aware that the drop rate for crystals is much higher when you get a colossal crate? 1 colossal crate has a better chance to give you a crystal than 3 massive crates. Large crates have an even lower drop rate.

no i don't think the base crate count is unfair at all. the base crate is where the crystals come from ... you don't get a crate, you get no chance at a crystal, nor ranking anubix. as i said before, the scanning legion members have to get lucky twice ... once for the crate, and the 2d time for the crystal. only ONE of those feeder legion members has had to only roll the odds once with a 100% base raid.

and yes, i DO know what the odds for base crate raiding are ... i have my grubby paws on just about anything referring to raids or raiding on the wiki. however, i did NOT have a hand in this one: http://galaxylegion.com/wiki/index.php/ ... _Artifacts
1. Large Base Crate (Level 5): 10% rare (artifact) = Enumeration Crystal,Continuum Parser, Abysmal Rift Trap
2. Massive Base Crate (Level 6): 30% uncommon (artifact) = enumeration crystal,continuum parser
3. Colossal Base Crate (Levels 7 and above): 30% uncommon (artifact) = enumeration crystal,continuum parser


it looks to me that level 6 and level 7 bases have the exact same drop rates for crystals ... hence AU's choice of our current basing style. anecdotally, around 40% of my personal drops of enumeration crystals have come from level 5 bases, though i have not been tracking that officially. so, of the data provided thus far - number of 100% base raids - MINIMUM expected crystals:

EoTS feeder legion: [level 7] 1 * 0.3/2 = 0.15
AU: [level 5] (5 + 3 + 4 + 2) * 0.1/3 + [level 6] (5 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 5 + 5 + 5) * 0.3/2 = 0.5 + 5.25 = 5.75

5.75 / 0.15 = 38.33 times more likely to get an enumeration crystal


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Xmoonxlitxwalkx, I asked early on about ranking anubix and the scan legions said they weren't having issues ranking them. We even went so far as to let some people rank their anubix in our legion if they were someone who was really helpful in the scanning process. Had someone rank their anubix in less than 3 weeks of loyalty.

if they were able to rank up anubix normally as a member of the feeder legion, they would not have needed to join EoTS to do so. once Anubix is rank capped, the successful raid chance does become somewhat less valuable.

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I'm also surprised you discard the silver gains. Do you not care about clamping your base?

not discounting the silvers at all ... just prioritize the raids and crates. our level 7 base is doing just fine on the clamping front. and you are assuming that the feeder legion members are spending their silvers on clamps ... it is MUCH more likely that they are saving up for the barrier nexus instead. (and if not, they should be ...)

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Massive crates have a much smaller drop rate for crystals compared to colossal crates.
I gathered data on this for a while.

The only advantage massive crates have over colossal crates is that colossal crates don't drop rift traps.

Anubix ranking is a non issue for our scan legions. They easily rank theirs in their own legion. They also have the accelerated ranking option.

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There's no way level 5 crates drop 10% crystals, rift traps, and parsers. My planets would have gotten a lot better a lot earlier if that was the case. I'd guess more like 1%, maybe as high as a few %.

My current rule of thumb is 10% of massive crates yield crystals, and nearly 30% of colossals.

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There's no way level 5 crates drop 10% crystals, rift traps, and parsers. My planets would have gotten a lot better a lot earlier if that was the case. I'd guess more like 1%, maybe as high as a few %.


I get more crystals now than I did when I was in a feeder legion. idk what the drop rates are, what the numbers have to say. All I know is what I know, and that is I have more crystals to show than I did when I was with a different set up. Abysmal Rift Traps are nice too! Plus we tend not to over use our e bars so we can do other things.

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There's no way level 5 crates drop 10% crystals, rift traps, and parsers. My planets would have gotten a lot better a lot earlier if that was the case. I'd guess more like 1%, maybe as high as a few %.


I get more crystals now than I did when I was in a feeder legion. idk what the drop rates are, what the numbers have to say. All I know is what I know, and that is I have more crystals to show than I did when I was with a different set up. Abysmal Rift Traps are nice too! Plus we tend not to over use our e bars so we can do other things.

Not sure if you're talking about what I'm talking about or not. I know for a fact that over a year of basing on 5s/6s three times a day only yielded a handful of rare drops, but when I joined a legion doing three 6s/7s a day my crystal drop rate was at least 1 a week. Apples to apples on numbers of bases and crates, dramatically different on crystal yields.

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From 2000 Massive base crates
Station 76.85%
Parser 8.24%
Rift Trap 2.82%
Crystal 12.09%


From 500 Colossal base crates
Station 44.24%
Parser 24.16%
Rift Trap 0.00%
Crystal 31.60%

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From 2000 Massive base crates
Station 76.85%
Parser 8.24%
Rift Trap 2.82%
Crystal 12.09%

From 500 Colossal base crates
Station 44.24%
Parser 24.16%
Rift Trap 0.00%
Crystal 31.60%


great info .. i updated the wiki page to include these figures.

so, the updated expected crystal calc:

EoTS feeder legion: [level 7] 1 * 0.3 = 0.3
AU: [level 5] (5 + 3 + 4 + 2) * 0.1/3 + [level 6] (5 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 5 + 5 + 5) * 0.12 = 0.5 + 4.2 = 4.7

4.7 / 0.3 = 15.67 times more likely to get an enumeration crystal

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Now that I have a few minutes...

Senatorhung, you unfairly dismiss all raid chances that are not 100% chance. I don't know why you choose to do this since a 90% chance is worth 9/10 of a crate because with 10 attempts you will get 9 crates (on average, always on average)

I've already stated that massive crates do not have the same yield for enumeration crystals as colossal crates. If you reject this notion then we are wasting our time here discussing this further.

So using the drop rates I have seen which seem fair and do a nice job representing what I continue to experience weekly.
I will show you how many crystals you get from a few bases you've posted and how many crystals the scan legions have made from what I posted.
Yes this assumes everyone raids, everyone has plenty of time to raid so it is hard to restrict this and I believe it is fair to assume everyone raids when comparing.

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2. Samurai7 Ancient Untouchables 1554 - 6
3. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 1200 - 6
5. Lust7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 6
7. QuietusMaximus Ancient Untouchables 600 - 5
9. SimpleSimon Ancient Untouchables 600 - 5
22. Praetorian Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
24. Envy7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
25. Siege Perilous Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
26. BoomBlaster Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
27. Damodred Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
29. XQwErTy Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
31. Herman56565 Ancient Untouchables 504 - 2

With Protean 1.12
With Arsenals 3.00
With Arsenals and Thracti 3.14

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3. Envy7 Ancient Untouchables 4800 - 6
5. PopasmanPT Ancient Untouchables 1836 - 6
6. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 1800 - 5
8. Killer3000 Ancient Untouchables 1200 - 5
10. Damodred Ancient Untouchables 1200 - 5
20. Johnnyb Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4
26. TheBlackPearl Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
27. BoomBlaster Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
28. JediPotato Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
42. Siege Perilous Ancient Untouchables 600 - 1
43. Lust7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 1
46. Bartok Ancient Untouchables 600 - 1
48. XQwErTy Ancient Untouchables 600 - 1

With Protean 0.97
With Arsenals 2.60
With Arsenals and Thracti 2.71

senatorhung wrote:
1. Envy7 Ancient Untouchables 11400 - 6
4. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 1200 - 6
12. Thorson Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4
13. Techion Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4
14. Wrath7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4
18. Johnnyb Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4
20. BoomBlaster Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4
21. Gluttony7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
22. QuietusMaximus Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
23. Hudson Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
25. JediPotato Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
28. GrimRage Ancient Untouchables 315 - 3

With Protean 1.17
With Arsenals 3.20
With Arsenals and Thracti 3.38


senatorhung wrote:
2. Gluttony7 Ancient Untouchables 56905 - 6
3. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 45697 - 6
4. Siege Perilous Ancient Untouchables 8360 - 6
7. Envy7 Ancient Untouchables 5027 - 5
9. Damodred Ancient Untouchables 2108 - 5
13. Lust7 Ancient Untouchables 1094 - 4
14. Covolsky Ancient Untouchables 1044 - 4
18. SimpleSimon Ancient Untouchables 291 - 4
25. Oranges91 Ancient Untouchables 31 - 3
27. Hudson Ancient Untouchables 20 - 3
29. Bartok Ancient Untouchables 11 - 3
33. GrimRage Ancient Untouchables 2 - 2

With Protean 1.19
With Arsenals 3.20
With Arsenals and Thracti 3.32

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Level 6
Scan Legion 1
19. - 3383
22. - 1287
23. - 1164
25. - 297
26. - 166
27. - 117
28. - 29
29. - 12
30. - 10


Level7
15 - 13490
16 - 11529
19 - 10924
22 - 4322
23 - 3647
24 - 1821
26 - 992
27 - 277
28 - 155
29 - 111
30 - 77
31 - 19
32 - 14
33 - 14
34 - 13
35 - 11
36 - 5
37 - 4
38 - 2
39 - 1

Level 8
26 - 1319
30 - 280
31 - 215
32 - 194
33 - 148
34 - 82
35 - 55
36 - 42
37 - 30
38 - 27
39 - 11
40 - 11
41 - 10
42 - 10
43 - 9

For the Level 6
With Protean 0.68
With Arsenals 1.88
With Arsenals and Thracti 2.07

For the Level 7
With Protean 4.17
With Arsenals 4.41
With Arsenals and Thracti 4.80

For the Level 8
With Protean 2.92
With Arsenals 3.09
With Arsenals and Thracti 3.40

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Level 7
24. 28297
34. 2612
39. 1225
43. 217
44. 134
46. 77
47. 28
48. 26
49. 24
50. 21
51. 15
52. 8
53. 2
54. 1

Level 7
17. 61487
19. 56224
20. 51419
24. 27103
26. 22934
31. 8048
33. 5173
35. 4695
36. 3660
37. 3578
39. 949
40. 909
41. 746
43. 374
44. 115
45. 47
46. 33
47. 27
48. 12
49. 12
50. 10
51. 3
52. 3
53. 2

First Level 7
With Protean 1.42
With Arsenals 1.50
With Arsenals and Thracti 1.65

2nd Level 7
With Protean 3.47
With Arsenals 3.67
With Arsenals and Thracti 4.02

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Senatorhung, you unfairly dismiss all raid chances that are not 100% chance. I don't know why you choose to do this since a 90% chance is worth 9/10 of a crate because with 10 attempts you will get 9 crates (on average, always on average)

I've already stated that massive crates do not have the same yield for enumeration crystals as colossal crates. If you reject this notion then we are wasting our time here discussing this further.


not rejecting it at all ... the most recent re.calc was an attempt to use your updated drop rates for crystals ... but i just neglected to change the value for the level 6 drops. this has been corrected now.

and i am NOT dismissing all raid chances under 100% ... it is just that those chances are subject to 2 rolls ... the chance to raid AND the chance for the drop. i can add additional phantom 'raids' with the actual odds.

11jul2014 - 37 total attackers from 5 legions on level 6 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 6, 6 - 10: 5, 11 - 20: 4, 21 - 30: 3, 31 - 40: 2, 41 - 50: 1
level 6+ base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 15th

6. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 1200 - 5 - 100
9. Orin9 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 5 - 100
10. Bartok Ancient Untouchables 600 - 5 - 100
11. Wrath7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 100
13. REXCORE Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 100
17. Envy7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 96.9
18. Hudson Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 94.0
21. Techion Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 85.5
24. Johnnyb Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 76.9
26. XQwErTy Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 71.2
32. Lust7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 2 - 54.1
35. Freshmeat Ancient Untouchables 600 - 2 - 45.6

AU totals: 44 silvers; 5 massive base crates (100%) + 5.242 massive base crates

11jul2014 - 41 total attackers from 5 legions on level 6 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 6, 6 - 10: 5, 11 - 20: 4, 21 - 30: 3, 31 - 40: 2, 41 - 50: 1
level 6+ base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 15th

2. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 1200 - 6 - 100
3. Techion Ancient Untouchables 1200 - 6 - 100
4. Toymaker Ancient Untouchables 600 - 6 - 100
17. Covolsky Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 96.9
18. Wrath7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 94.0
22. Damodred Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 82.6
23. Thorson Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 79.8
25. Killer3000 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 74.1
30. Hudson Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 59.8
36. GrimRage Ancient Untouchables 316 - 2 - 42.7

AU totals: 40 silvers; 3 massive base crates (100%) + 5.299

11jul2014 - 31 total attackers from 4 legions on level 5 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 5, 6 - 10: 4, 11 - 20: 3, 21 - 30: 2, 31 - 40: 1
level 5 base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 12th

2. Siege Perilous Ancient Untouchables 22791 - 5 - 100
3. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 2587 - 5 - 100
4. Techion Ancient Untouchables 2091 - 5 - 100
7. Damodred Ancient Untouchables 2063 - 4 - 100
9. Gluttony7 Ancient Untouchables 1977 - 4 - 100
13. Envy7 Ancient Untouchables 1949 - 3 - 99.7
21. Hudson Ancient Untouchables 111 - 2 - 71.2
23. Covolsky Ancient Untouchables 77 - 2 - 64.1
24. Bartok Ancient Untouchables 45 - 2 - 60.5
26. Praetorian Ancient Untouchables 33 - 2 - 53.4
29. GrimRage Ancient Untouchables 4 - 2 - 42.7

AU totals: 36 silvers; 5 large base crates (100%) + 3.916

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Today's bases (that I was a part of)
Level 6
Scan Legion 1
19. - 3383 - 91.2
22. - 1287 - 82.6
23. - 1164 - 79.8
25. - 297 - 74.1
26. - 166 - 71.2
27. - 117 - 68.4
28. - 29 - 65.5
29. - 12 - 62.7
30. - 10 - 59.8
28 Silver badges for this scan legion + 6.553 crates

Scan legion 2 found a nice 7
15 - 13490 - 100
16 - 11529 - 99.7
19 - 10924 - 91.2
22 - 4322 - 82.6
23 - 3647 - 79.8
24 - 1821 - 76.9
26 - 992 - 71.2
27 - 277 - 68.4
28 - 155 - 65.5
29 - 111 - 62.7
30 - 77 - 59.8
31 - 19 - 57.0
32 - 14 - 54.1
33 - 14 - 51.3
34 - 13 - 48.4
35 - 11 - 45.6
36 - 5 - 42.7
37 - 4 - 39.9
38 - 2 - 37.0
39 - 1 - 34.2
74 Silvers for the scan legion + 12.68 crates

Scan legion 1 got lucky later with a nice 8
26 - 1319 - 74.1
30 - 280 - 59.8
31 - 215 - 57.0
32 - 194 - 54.1
33 - 148 - 51.3
34 - 82 - 48.4
35 - 55 - 45.6
36 - 42 - 42.7
37 - 30 - 39.9
38 - 27 - 37.0
39 - 11 - 34.2
40 - 11 - 31.3
41 - 10 - 28.5
42 - 10 - 25.6
43 - 9 - 22.8
59 Silvers for the scan legion + 6.523 crates

so, using only information from the first day, the updated expected crystal calc:

EoTS feeder legion: [level 6] 6.553 *0.12 + [level 7] 12.67 * 0.3 + [level 8] 6.523 * 0.3 = 0.786 + 3.801 + 1.957 = 6.544
AU: [level 5] (8.196) * 0.1/3 + [level 6] (10.242 + 8.299) * 0.12 = 0.273 + 2.224 = 2.497


AU: 33 raids / 2.497 crystals = 13.216 raids per crystal
feeder legion: 44 raids / 6.544 crystals = 6.724 raids per crystal

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12jul2014 - 21 total attackers from 4 legions on level 6 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 6, 6 - 10: 5, 11 - 20: 4, 21 - 30: 3, 31 - 40: 2, 41 - 50: 1
level 6+ base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 15th

4. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 1200 - 6 - 100
8. Bartok Ancient Untouchables 600 - 5 - 100
10. Envy7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 5 - 100
12. Lust7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 100
13. Siege Perilous Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 100
20. PopasmanPT Ancient Untouchables 499 - 4 - 88.3

AU totals: 28 silvers; 5 massive base crates (100%) + 0.883

12jul2014 - 32 total attackers from 5 legions on level 5 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 5, 6 - 10: 4, 11 - 20: 3, 21 - 30: 2, 31 - 40: 1
level 5 base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 12th

4. Covolsky Ancient Untouchables 520 - 5 - 100
5. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 520 - 5 - 100
11. Techion Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3 - 100
14. Siege Perilous Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3 - 96.2
25. Johnnyb Ancient Untouchables 260 - 2 - 57.0
30. GrimRage Ancient Untouchables 223 - 2 - 39.2

AU totals: 20 silvers; 3 large base crates (100%) + 1.92

12jul2014 - 27 total attackers from 4 legions on level 5 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 5, 6 - 10: 4, 11 - 20: 3, 21 - 30: 2, 31 - 40: 1
level 5 base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 12th

2. Lust7 Ancient Untouchables 520 - 5 - 100
3. Hudson Ancient Untouchables 260 - 5 - 100
7. BoomBlaster Ancient Untouchables 260 - 4 - 100
10. Bartok Ancient Untouchables 260 - 4 - 100
15. Siege Perilous Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3 - 92.6
16. Damodred Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3 - 89.0
18. Techion Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3 - 81.9
20. Gluttony7 Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3 - 74.8
21. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 260 - 2 - 71.2

AU totals: 32 silvers; 4 large base crates + 4.095

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This is a level 7 base that defended. Our scan legions accept that they will receive less silvers from a base that defends. It's a willing risk for the colossal crates.
24. 28297 - 76.9
34. 2612 - 48.4
39. 1225 - 34.2
43. 217 - 22.8
44. 134 - 19.9
46. 77 - 14.2
47. 28 - 11.4
48. 26 - 8.5
49. 24 - 5.7
50. 21 - 2.8
51. 15 - 0
52. 8 - 0
53. 2 - 0
54. 1 - 0
28 silvers gained. + 2.448 crates

And here is another level 7 that defended.
17. 61487 - 96.9
19. 56224 - 91.2
20. 51419 - 88.3
24. 27103 - 76.9
26. 22934 - 71.2
31. 8048 - 57.0
33. 5173 - 51.3
35. 4695 - 45.6
36. 3660 - 42.7
37. 3578 - 39.9
39. 949 - 34.2
40. 909 - 31.3
41. 746 - 28.5
43. 374 - 22.8
44. 115 - 19.9
45. 47 - 17.1
46. 33 - 14.2
47. 27 - 11.4
48. 12 - 8.5
49. 12 - 5.7
50. 10 - 2.8
51. 3 - 0
52. 3 - 0
53. 2 - 0
59 silver badges gained. + 8.574


EoTS feeder legion: [level 6] 6.553 *0.12 + [level 7] (12.67 + 2.448 + 8.574) * 0.3 + [level 8] 6.523 * 0.3 = 0.786 + 7.108 + 1.957 = 9.852
AU: [level 5] (8.196 + 4.92 + 8.095) * 0.1/3 + [level 6] (10.242 + 8.299 + 5.883) * 0.12 = 0.707 + 2.931 = 3.637


AU: 54 raids / 3.638 crystals = 14.843 raids per crystal
feeder legion: 82 raids / 9.852 crystals = 8.324 raids per crystal

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13jul2014 - data from first base missed

13jul2014 - 32 total attackers from 3 legions on level 5 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 5, 6 - 10: 4, 11 - 20: 3, 21 - 30: 2, 31 - 40: 1
level 5 base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 12th

9. Wrath7 Ancient Untouchables 3096 - 4 - 100
11. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 2462 - 3 - 100
18. Techion Ancient Untouchables 1136 - 3 - 81.9
25. Damodred Ancient Untouchables 25 - 2 - 57.0
30. Johnnyb Ancient Untouchables 8 - 2 - 39.2

AU totals: 14 silvers; 2 large base crates (100%) + 1.781

13jul2014 - 34 total attackers from 5 legions on level 6 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 6, 6 - 10: 5, 11 - 20: 4, 21 - 30: 3, 31 - 40: 2, 41 - 50: 1
level 6+ base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 15th

2. Gluttony7 Ancient Untouchables 56905 - 6 - 100
3. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 45697 - 6 - 100
4. Siege Perilous Ancient Untouchables 8360 - 6 - 100
7. Envy7 Ancient Untouchables 5027 - 5 - 100
9. Damodred Ancient Untouchables 2108 - 5 - 100
13. Lust7 Ancient Untouchables 1094 - 4 - 100
14. Covolsky Ancient Untouchables 1044 - 4 - 100
18. SimpleSimon Ancient Untouchables 291 - 4 - 94.0
25. Oranges91 Ancient Untouchables 31 - 3 - 74.1
27. Hudson Ancient Untouchables 20 - 3 - 68.4
29. Bartok Ancient Untouchables 11 - 3 - 62.7
33. GrimRage Ancient Untouchables 2 - 2 - 51.3

AU totals: 51 silvers; 7 massive base crates (100%) + 3.505

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Level 6
19. 537 - 91.2
20. 444 - 88.3
21. 407 - 85.5
22. 305 - 82.6
23. 301 - 79.8
24. 287 - 76.9
25. 231 - 74.1
27. 27 - 68.4
28. 26 - 65.5
29. 10 - 62.7
30. 9 - 59.8
31. 5 - 57.0
32. 3 - 54.1
33. 2 - 51.3
34. 2 - 48.4
35. 2 - 45.6
36. 1 - 42.7
45 silvers gained + 11.339


EoTS feeder legion: [level 6] (6.553 + 11.339) * 0.12 + [level 7] (12.67 + 2.448 + 8.574) * 0.3 + [level 8] 6.523 * 0.3 = 2.147 + 7.108 + 1.957 = 11.212
AU: [level 5] (8.196 + 4.92 + 8.095 + 3.781) * 0.1/3 + [level 6] (10.242 + 8.299 + 5.883 + 10.505) * 0.12 = 0.833 + 4.191 = 5.024


AU: 71 raids / 5.024 crystals = 14.132 raids per crystal
feeder legion: 99 raids / 11.212 crystals = 8.830 raids per crystal

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14jul2014 - 55 total attackers from 5 legions on level 6 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 6, 6 - 10: 5, 11 - 20: 4, 21 - 30: 3, 31 - 40: 2, 41 - 50: 1
level 6+ base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 15th

3. Envy7 Ancient Untouchables 4800 - 6 - 100
5. PopasmanPT Ancient Untouchables 1836 - 6 - 100
6. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 1800 - 5 - 100
8. Killer3000 Ancient Untouchables 1200 - 5 - 100
10. Damodred Ancient Untouchables 1200 - 5 - 100
20. Johnnyb Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 88.3
26. TheBlackPearl Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 71.2
27. BoomBlaster Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 68.4
28. JediPotato Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 65.5
42. Siege Perilous Ancient Untouchables 600 - 1 - 25.6
43. Lust7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 1 - 22.8
46. Bartok Ancient Untouchables 600 - 1 - 14.2
48. XQwErTy Ancient Untouchables 600 - 1 - 8.5

AU totals: 44 silvers; 5 massive base crates (100%) + 3.645

14jul2014 - 55 total attackers from 5 legions on level 6 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 6, 6 - 10: 5, 11 - 20: 4, 21 - 30: 3, 31 - 40: 2, 41 - 50: 1
level 6+ base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 15th

1. Envy7 Ancient Untouchables 11400 - 6 - 100
4. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 1200 - 6 - 100
12. Thorson Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 100
13. Techion Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 100
14. Wrath7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 100
18. Johnnyb Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 94.0
20. BoomBlaster Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 88.3
21. Gluttony7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 85.5
22. QuietusMaximus Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 82.6
23. Hudson Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 79.8
25. JediPotato Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 74.1
28. GrimRage Ancient Untouchables 315 - 3 - 65.5

AU totals: 47 silvers; 5 massive base crates(100%) + 5.698

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Level 6 base
28. 60 - 65.5
29. 50 - 62.7
30. 50 - 59.8
31. 29 - 57.0
32. 14 - 54.1
33. 8 - 51.3
34. 8 - 48.4
35. 7 - 45.6
36. 4 - 42.7
37. 2 - 39.9
38. 1 - 37.0
24 silver badges + 5.64

Level 6 base
24. 1601 - 76.9
26. 414 - 71.2
27. 334 - 68.4
28. 266 - 65.5
29. 263 - 62.7
30. 253 - 59.8
31. 202 - 57.0
32. 165 - 54.1
33. 156 - 51.3
34. 55 - 48.4
35. 18 - 45.6
36. 11 - 42.7
37. 8 - 39.9
38. 8 - 37.0
39. 5 - 34.2
40. 4 - 31.3
41. 3 - 28.5
42. 2 - 25.6
43. 2 - 22.8
44. 1 - 19.9
45. 1 - 17.1
46 silvers for the scan legion + 9.599


EoTS feeder legion: [level 6] (6.553 + 11.339 + 5.64 + 9.599) * 0.12 + [level 7] (12.67 + 2.448 + 8.574) * 0.3 + [level 8] 6.523 * 0.3 = 3.976 + 7.108 + 1.957 = 13.041
AU: [level 5] (8.196 + 4.92 + 8.095 + 3.781) * 0.1/3 + [level 6] (10.242 + 8.299 + 5.883 + 10.505 + 8.645 + 8.698) * 0.12 = 0.833 + 6.273 = 7.106


AU: 96 raids / 7.106 crystals = 13.510 raids per crystal
feeder legion: 131 raids / 13.041 crystals = 10.045 raids per crystal

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So in summary, scanners require fewer crates per crystal and have a higher rate of crates as well?

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So in summary, scanners require fewer crates per crystal and have a higher rate of crates as well?


not paying attention to the trend eh ?

i was trying to be generous, but looks like i will have to spell it out. unless the scanning legion is ONLY delivering level 7+ bases to EoTS, they are losing out.

let's see what happens if we only include level 6 bases:

11jul2014 - 37 total attackers from 5 legions on level 6 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 6, 6 - 10: 5, 11 - 20: 4, 21 - 30: 3, 31 - 40: 2, 41 - 50: 1
level 6+ base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 15th

6. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 1200 - 5 - 100
9. Orin9 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 5 - 100
10. Bartok Ancient Untouchables 600 - 5 - 100
11. Wrath7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 100
13. REXCORE Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 100
17. Envy7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 96.9
18. Hudson Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 94.0
21. Techion Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 85.5
24. Johnnyb Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 76.9
26. XQwErTy Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 71.2
32. Lust7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 2 - 54.1
35. Freshmeat Ancient Untouchables 600 - 2 - 45.6

AU totals: 44 silvers for 12 raiders; 5 massive base crates (100%) + 5.242 massive base crates

11jul2014 - 41 total attackers from 5 legions on level 6 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 6, 6 - 10: 5, 11 - 20: 4, 21 - 30: 3, 31 - 40: 2, 41 - 50: 1
level 6+ base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 15th

2. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 1200 - 6 - 100
3. Techion Ancient Untouchables 1200 - 6 - 100
4. Toymaker Ancient Untouchables 600 - 6 - 100
17. Covolsky Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 96.9
18. Wrath7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 94.0
22. Damodred Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 82.6
23. Thorson Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 79.8
25. Killer3000 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 74.1
30. Hudson Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 59.8
36. GrimRage Ancient Untouchables 316 - 2 - 42.7

AU totals: 40 silvers for 10 raiders; 3 massive base crates (100%) + 5.299

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Today's bases (that I was a part of)
Level 6
Scan Legion 1
19. - 3383 - 91.2
22. - 1287 - 82.6
23. - 1164 - 79.8
25. - 297 - 74.1
26. - 166 - 71.2
27. - 117 - 68.4
28. - 29 - 65.5
29. - 12 - 62.7
30. - 10 - 59.8
28 Silver badges for this scan legion with 9 raiders + 6.553 crates


12jul2014 - 21 total attackers from 4 legions on level 6 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 6, 6 - 10: 5, 11 - 20: 4, 21 - 30: 3, 31 - 40: 2, 41 - 50: 1
level 6+ base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 15th

4. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 1200 - 6 - 100
8. Bartok Ancient Untouchables 600 - 5 - 100
10. Envy7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 5 - 100
12. Lust7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 100
13. Siege Perilous Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 100
20. PopasmanPT Ancient Untouchables 499 - 4 - 88.3

AU totals: 28 silvers for 6 raiders; 5 massive base crates (100%) + 0.883

13jul2014 - 34 total attackers from 5 legions on level 6 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 6, 6 - 10: 5, 11 - 20: 4, 21 - 30: 3, 31 - 40: 2, 41 - 50: 1
level 6+ base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 15th

2. Gluttony7 Ancient Untouchables 56905 - 6 - 100
3. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 45697 - 6 - 100
4. Siege Perilous Ancient Untouchables 8360 - 6 - 100
7. Envy7 Ancient Untouchables 5027 - 5 - 100
9. Damodred Ancient Untouchables 2108 - 5 - 100
13. Lust7 Ancient Untouchables 1094 - 4 - 100
14. Covolsky Ancient Untouchables 1044 - 4 - 100
18. SimpleSimon Ancient Untouchables 291 - 4 - 94.0
25. Oranges91 Ancient Untouchables 31 - 3 - 74.1
27. Hudson Ancient Untouchables 20 - 3 - 68.4
29. Bartok Ancient Untouchables 11 - 3 - 62.7
33. GrimRage Ancient Untouchables 2 - 2 - 51.3

AU totals: 51 silvers for 12 raiders; 7 massive base crates (100%) + 3.505

Tree7304 wrote:
Level 6
19. 537 - 91.2
20. 444 - 88.3
21. 407 - 85.5
22. 305 - 82.6
23. 301 - 79.8
24. 287 - 76.9
25. 231 - 74.1
27. 27 - 68.4
28. 26 - 65.5
29. 10 - 62.7
30. 9 - 59.8
31. 5 - 57.0
32. 3 - 54.1
33. 2 - 51.3
34. 2 - 48.4
35. 2 - 45.6
36. 1 - 42.7
45 silvers gained by 17 raiders + 11.339


14jul2014 - 55 total attackers from 5 legions on level 6 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 6, 6 - 10: 5, 11 - 20: 4, 21 - 30: 3, 31 - 40: 2, 41 - 50: 1
level 6+ base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 15th

3. Envy7 Ancient Untouchables 4800 - 6 - 100
5. PopasmanPT Ancient Untouchables 1836 - 6 - 100
6. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 1800 - 5 - 100
8. Killer3000 Ancient Untouchables 1200 - 5 - 100
10. Damodred Ancient Untouchables 1200 - 5 - 100
20. Johnnyb Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 88.3
26. TheBlackPearl Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 71.2
27. BoomBlaster Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 68.4
28. JediPotato Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 65.5
42. Siege Perilous Ancient Untouchables 600 - 1 - 25.6
43. Lust7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 1 - 22.8
46. Bartok Ancient Untouchables 600 - 1 - 14.2
48. XQwErTy Ancient Untouchables 600 - 1 - 8.5

AU totals: 44 silvers for 13 raiders; 5 massive base crates (100%) + 3.645

14jul2014 - 55 total attackers from 5 legions on level 6 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 6, 6 - 10: 5, 11 - 20: 4, 21 - 30: 3, 31 - 40: 2, 41 - 50: 1
level 6+ base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 15th

1. Envy7 Ancient Untouchables 11400 - 6 - 100
4. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 1200 - 6 - 100
12. Thorson Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 100
13. Techion Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 100
14. Wrath7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 100
18. Johnnyb Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 94.0
20. BoomBlaster Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4 - 88.3
21. Gluttony7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 85.5
22. QuietusMaximus Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 82.6
23. Hudson Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 79.8
25. JediPotato Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3 - 74.1
28. GrimRage Ancient Untouchables 315 - 3 - 65.5

AU totals: 47 silvers for 12 raiders; 5 massive base crates(100%) + 5.698

Tree7304 wrote:
Level 6 base
28. 60 - 65.5
29. 50 - 62.7
30. 50 - 59.8
31. 29 - 57.0
32. 14 - 54.1
33. 8 - 51.3
34. 8 - 48.4
35. 7 - 45.6
36. 4 - 42.7
37. 2 - 39.9
38. 1 - 37.0
24 silver badges for 11 raiders + 5.64

Level 6 base
24. 1601 - 76.9
26. 414 - 71.2
27. 334 - 68.4
28. 266 - 65.5
29. 263 - 62.7
30. 253 - 59.8
31. 202 - 57.0
32. 165 - 54.1
33. 156 - 51.3
34. 55 - 48.4
35. 18 - 45.6
36. 11 - 42.7
37. 8 - 39.9
38. 8 - 37.0
39. 5 - 34.2
40. 4 - 31.3
41. 3 - 28.5
42. 2 - 25.6
43. 2 - 22.8
44. 1 - 19.9
45. 1 - 17.1
46 silvers for 21 raiders in the scan legion + 9.599


EoTS feeder legion: [level 6] (6.553 + 11.339 + 5.64 + 9.599) * 0.12 = 3.976
AU: [level 6] (10.242 + 8.299 + 5.883 + 10.505 + 8.645 + 8.698) * 0.12 = 6.273


AU on level 6's: 65 raids / 6.273 crystals = 10.362 raids per crystal
feeder legion on level 6's: 58 raids / 3.976 crystals = 14.588 raids per crystal

so feeder legions have to burn more reds to lock level 7's to make this relationship work to their advantage.

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You can skew the numbers by picking the best bases done by solo basers and comparing them to the worst bases for the scanners, but it won't change the facts that you have scanners getting more crystals per raid and more raids overall in the complete data.

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We just assisted in battle against a lvl 7 base. Reported thus far, 4 fails.

edit to add: low silver count as well. 1 silver? alot of energy wasted. I got 3.

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I am flat out asking anyone to compare their bases to that of one of our scan legions.

Let's see what AU can do in a week vs what one of our scan legions does.
1 week comparison? 2 weeks? Month?

16jul2014 - 20 total attackers from 3 legions on level 5 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 5, 6 - 10: 4, 11 - 20: 3, 21 - 30: 2, 31 - 40: 1
level 5 base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 12th

2. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 520 - 5
4. TheBlackPearl Ancient Untouchables 260 - 5
5. JediPotato Ancient Untouchables 260 - 5
6. Asgard Ancient Untouchables 260 - 4
9. QuietusMaximus Ancient Untouchables 260 - 4
10. Johnnyb Ancient Untouchables 260 - 4
11. Masegathare Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3
13. Bartok Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3
14. Siege Perilous Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3
15. XQwErTy Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3
16. Hudson Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3
18. Danisimo Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3
20. GrimRage Ancient Untouchables 228 - 3

AU totals: 48 silvers; 7+ large base crates

16jul2014 - 29 total attackers from 4 legions on level 6 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 6, 6 - 10: 5, 11 - 20: 4, 21 - 30: 3, 31 - 40: 2, 41 - 50: 1
level 6+ base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 15th

6. Damodred Ancient Untouchables 600 - 5
13. Dav14 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4
15. Thorson Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4
19. Lust7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4
20. Techion Ancient Untouchables 600 - 4
21. Asgard Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
22. JediPotato Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
23. Hudson Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3
25. Wrath7 Ancient Untouchables 600 - 3

AU totals: 33 silvers; 3+ massive base crates

16jul2014 - 30 total attackers from 4 legions on level 5 base
Rewards: 1 - 5: 5, 6 - 10: 4, 11 - 20: 3, 21 - 30: 2, 31 - 40: 1
level 5 base protean / thraccti 100% raid line 12th

1. Envy7 Ancient Untouchables 9360 - 5
2. Covolsky Ancient Untouchables 2080 - 5
3. Hudson Ancient Untouchables 1040 - 5
4. Bartok Ancient Untouchables 520 - 5
5. Lust7 Ancient Untouchables 520 - 5
10. QuietusMaximus Ancient Untouchables 260 - 4
13. Herman56565 Ancient Untouchables 260 - 4
14. Siege Perilous Ancient Untouchables 260 - 4
16. Asgard Ancient Untouchables 260 - 4
17. JediPotato Ancient Untouchables 260 - 4
19. Johnnyb Ancient Untouchables 260 - 4
22. Senatorhung Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3
23. Techion Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3
26. Orin9 Ancient Untouchables 260 - 3

AU totals: 58 silvers; 7+ large base crates

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