the New Trainee systems that Dan made, where new players can spendt time in some of the "old" legions and learn a few things, might actualy also help to keep more New players in the game
but not 100% sure, as for some legions it not realy about the new players but how farst they can get the trainee rewards


if you want to level the playing field, give New players rewards for playing the game that cant be taken away from them....

an Invincible Terra very Large, Artifact: 3x Mega Rich planet, that you cant use artifacts or abilityes on for loggin into the game daily for 30 days

more special ship systems, like the Nightclaw Fighter for doing certain aspects of the game, like hacking, raiding other players,
etc - so they can see a reward if they just login and play for a few more days
sure, we already have systems like the CK69 Assault Sentry, but 21 * 140 = 2940 raids to max it, and 800 Medal Points before you can buy it, doesnt realy encorage new players to work on getting it


and you can also reduce the recurces you steal if you raid or hack players below your own rank, for most players who attack that way it not realy about the recurces anyway, all they want is badges, points for the ranking list or credits for killing the race/profession the player have for some medal

I'm Divine
right point 1-- i'm not in CoG

point 2-- what dray posted of my conversation. it was not a rant,

point 3 - the first part of the conversationw as omitted as none of you will accept what is needed.

(we have had many updates, to teh game and dan is continuing to make this game about us old players (yes ive been here nigh on as long as you lot)

yes i play teh game to help low ranks.... lately is so hard cos all these new players come in try the game see their tank 20 and then compare leaderboards to rank 8k players and think i'll never be able to reach their lvls .
why cos top players have 1k planets each of which dan created a legion mission that makes planets invincible so they get to keep their planets (we also have some too) so basicly only planets thata re available are average and below fodder planets.

now i may be an old hand with an average ship -cos i don't spend all my time here, and have moved to legions to help them out (new players)
my snipe at eots was that yes theyre all old players been together over 3 years.... before then many were part of a coalition, before legions existed that i was a part of ... 3 years ago legios came and a group became eots an dtheyve stayed there since --
the legion missions came in and that favoured peopel staying put and not going to help teh new new and that si wat has happened-- call us stupid for wanting to help new people and generate more players.. up to you.

my original point was -- and isthe best solution to make all this new content useful and give new players the real need to stay--- and compete.. all you old players won't even contemplate this suggestion as you all talk about hard work-my hard work is keeping thsi game alive so here it is.
CALL EOTS the WINNERS and a FULL RESET>> READVERTISEMENT AND RELAUNCH. those that care for the game will stay and reinvugorate it. those that don't care will just #$&*@ about what i have said and moan its unfair i spent all this tiem and money

And the winner of the 'Worst suggestion in the history of the forums' award is.....



THIS ONE!!

You know a new server/reset has been batted around for a while. I can see the clear points on both sides and I have to ask what are the high ranks that are still in this game getting from it that a new challenge wouldn't offer? (That's a genuine question btw.)

The only LM I can think of which allows you to make invincible planets is Mawks. EotS has had Mawks about... 8 times, tops? I just maxed my suits out which is 5 iterations, plus one more and then I think maybe two other times which I missed. Do you know how many invincible planets, at best, someone could have at this point (from Mawks)? One.

Mawks is not a common LM and it takes 5 Morphogenic Inhibitors to make a planet invincible. Morphogenic Inhibitors are non-extractable. I think the most anybody would have in EotS by now is four (as we flip assignment each time to make it fair).

So it's not like we're making all of our planets invincible. Not even close to that.

New players to the game still have plenty of content; the content that kept the rest of us happy for the first 1000 ranks or more. The need for new content aimed at lower ranks is not a pressing issue because they get new content by actually playing the game. Hit new ranks and find new NPCs, unlock new missions and all that jazz. The rest of us did it and we enjoyed it.

Resetting the game will cause a lot of people to moan about how it is unfair after they spent all this time and money. I am in total agreement with you here. I would be one of those people moaning and I would leave the game. So many people would leave the game. It would kill it. The suggestion is so ridiculous that I'm actually doubting your seriousness now; it seems like a troll. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are not a troll and in fact just an idiot.

The existence of EotS does not make the game worse for you. If your legion base sucks that much, dissolving even the top 10 legions isn't going to save your base; you will still be known as an easy target and you will still be taken down as often as you are now, albeit it might take a legion 20 minutes instead of 10 minutes. If Empire of the Sun can take out your base in 10 minutes, I'd bet money that any top 25 legion could do it in the space of the EIGHT HOURS they have to hit your base. The only reason I don't include every single legion on the leaderboard in that is because whilst I'm sure an active legion like Ancient Untouchables could do it, one of the less active legions like Red Dwarf might struggle to get enough people online and caring.

Also, in my experience, new players to any game don't jump in and go "Damn, look at those leaderboards. I'll never get there! I might as well not play." Anybody who does this is an idiot. You don't get people who refuse to play Halo because they'll never win the big tournaments. Can you imagine if people actually thought like that? No game would ever be successful unless they had a hard reset on a regular basis. Also, joining the game four or five years after some of the biggest guns in the galaxy does not mean you'll never be up there with them. CASE STUDY: FUNK

I have some wise words for you, passed on from a yellow dog:

Sucking at something is the first step to being sorta good at something.


To sum up:

* The low ranks have plenty of content and ways to access new content (new from their perspective, if not to the game as a whole)
* If EotS can kill your base in 10 minutes, dissolving the top legions isn't going to save your base from getting wrecked just as often as before - your base is still an easy target.
* A hard reset of the entire game would kill the game.

I find that the main problem with base battles is that you can't actually defend when you have people autoranking to take it down. I'll admit our base only has 700k hull, 500k shield, 58k def but with buffs that reaches about 1.4-1.5M hull, 100k def, however, someone with decent enough attack will still be able to auto rank and kill the base within 2-3h even if you have maxed AP.

who said our base gets disabled in 10 minutes.... yes our base gets disabled every 2 or 3 days.... and yes its always the same 3 legions....... none of the others do...

so does that say our base is just average. not special but able to hold its own v most but the top ten.

and why is this all about EotS are they that sensitive or they just think the game resolves around them- it doesn't. teh conversation was an example since they were the last legion to kill our base and for the third time in a week. (no other legion disabled our base in that time).

on average takes EoTs 20-30 mins to kill any base.... generally with ours if were all offlien (yes it does happen) takes them 20 mins, if were online can take them up to 4 hrs.

average for otehr legiosn is around 6-7 hours.

as said before we are not Children of Gods.

why has the idea of a reset been banded around and been rejected by all teh top players...... (these are the ones always crying out for new content)
yes new palyers don't need new content-- us old players do...

so here is a way to give them all teh new content they will need .... reset them all let them experience all teh new content that was not around when they started, let them experience the joy of a new player again....

many games and tournaments once they reach a point have a hard reset-- a tournament ends when a winner is declared and resets to the start.
99% of games have a hard cap or a hard reset and keep its player base and gains new players continually there are very few continuous enviro games that succeed in satying as that.. cos of lack of new playerbases.

now with all teh new content with teh last 5 years.. many odl players have yet to experience it.... ITS about time.

They're the ones with the most invested in the game.

How about you reset and leave everyone else out of your choice?
Sounds way too much like: "I'm bored with sucking after 5 years so everyone should start from scratch again"

I think the basis of the idea is to put everyone on a level playing field. Just him resetting would exasperate the problem .

Problem wouldn't be solved by resetting. Fundamentally it's starting to become a pain where you can do a scan run, scan 1k planets, get 950 useless, 50 usable of which 40 are enemy owned and bricked to hell, 5 aren't worth your time and the remaining ones you just might get lucky on and keep 1.

Also, even if your ship is fantastic that doesn't mean anything when someone can just use 20-30 emps and make you into a glass brick.

So why is resetting everyone because some people suck a fair solution to the "problem"?

Have you ever heard the joke about taking a fat friend into the wilderness with you in case of bears. You don't have to outrun the bear, you have to outrun the fat friend. The same logic applied to bases; your base doesn't have to been some unbreakable fortress, it just has to be an unappealing target in comparsion to other bases. It's a race. It's a competition. In all walks of life, someone draws the short straw.

If everybody had super strong bases, then very few people are going to suddenly stop basing. They're just going to have to put more effort in and most people will do that.



10 minutes was just an example. Next time we disable your base, let me know how long it took us. Maybe your base only gets disabled by a small handful of legions because we don't actually give anybody else enough time to do it themselves? A lot of the time legions seem to learn a number of good targets for them and then will opt for those if they come up.

Using EotS is a good reference point. We're one end of the spectrum, not some random point in the middle. I've not once assumed or stated that your are CoG by the way. I hear you loud and clear; you are not CoG. You can stop saying it now.

The idea of a reset has been rejected by the top players because generally, the top players are the ones who've got the most invested in the game whether that be time, money, or both.

Tournaments have a hard reset in that sense, yes, but everybody doesn't start from scratch. Those MLG players are still just as good during the tournament as they are after the tournament, so they themselves haven't been reset. Resetting everybody would cause the majority to bail. Sure, some would stick around, but many would bail and it would be too hard a hit for the game to take. It wouldn't be immediate, but the game would fizzle out. Consider that those most likely to leave the game are probably the biggest spenders. If you've sunk a few $000 into a game that one day just deleted all your hard work, time and effort, are you going to continue playing? Even if you do, are you going to continue spending? No. And do you really think the servers are going to last any extended period of time with such a major blow to the game's income? I don't.

Resetting the game would not give us any meaningful new content; it would give us an ocean of old content we've already played through and experience with maybe the odd tid-bit here or there that we didn't have before. Cost vs reward? Not worth it IMO.

I am going to formally request that you strive for a higher standard of English in your posts. I am not poking fun, it is just difficult to understand what you are saying sometimes. Your point might be better (or correctly) received if we could read your post easier instead of having to go slowly and carefully to make sure we actually know what you are trying to say.

22 hours, 26 mins ago: Phoenix Reborn has been disabled!
22 hours, 51 mins ago: Empire Of The Sun have established a target lock on Phoenix Reborn!

That's the most recent one.

Previous one took you a few hours as you caught us online.

Sorry Crazyh, not trying to be a pain but with unbuffed stats of just 700k hull, 500k shield and 58k def after 3 years and 10 months and a low number of Fixers it's no wonder your base is regarded as a nice juicy 7.
It really does need either a serious injection of exoclamps and effort or to just treat it like casual fun and not care either way. Both are good, it's just a game.

Im going to advise you to stop posting "facts" unless you can reference them directly yourself.

Ive done just a little bit of reading since my last post and already have to reply to point things out. I will post again after with full comments, but if within just the first post since, I see things like you claiming people have 1k planets, then youve forced my hand:

1) Do you even know how much it costs to own 1k planets? No one has anywhere even close to that much. Open slots =/= # planets owned. 700 is about the upper limit atm, either because Dan put a hardcap or who knows. But we've never seen anyone pass this number. Kirk has already said this, and it is obvious you didn't read his post properly.

2) Legions came up 4.5 years ago. That is a fact, not 3 years ago. You can check that by looking up the Dysonians, oldest legion ever made from the current existing system. Search them up to check date. And if you go through all 57 pages of legions, Dysos are at the end. Note that the list goes in order of legion creation, so they are indeed the first modern legion.

3) EotS is only 2.5 years old, not over 3 years old. For the record, the first 3-4 months they had almost nothing to show. They're base was taken out constantly once they leveled past 5 due to the higher damage cap and incomplete legion + not full on members.

4) As Kirk has already said, no, EotS was not always at the top since they appeared, and no it was not 1k+ players. It was a small knit group of ~10-15 rank 700-1200 players like Kirk said. They did not make it into the top 10 until several months after the legion was created. They also did not reach top spot until slightly over a year ago.

5) Mawks gives the Morphogenic Inhibitor your speaking about that makes planets invincible. First off, that arti comes from the first part of the LM chain. So as long as your legion is competent enough to finish Task 1 and unlock Task 2 (which really isn't that hard. My legion managed it when we weren't even in top 35 yet), everyonce has access to the inhibs. Now about that invincibility bonus it bestows. This only happens once you put FOUR of them on the same planet. Seeing how your shot at seeing Mawks is about 1/10 (10%) or even lower, and LMs last on average 3 days, your gonna see that mission LESS THAN ONCE A MONTH on average. So itll take you over 5 months just to make one planet invincible this way. Does that sound overpowered? Not really, most NPCers can probably get hundreds of terraformers in that time, which translates to tens of projects made. Only one can be made invincible in that time. Personally, making them invisible is much easier, and what a lot of people can already do from a low rank (500+).

So with all that within just the first post I read after mine, I think you seriously need to rethink what you post first. There are too many flaws in your claims to take seriously.

just strange to notice the few deciding what is best for the many.. yet what none of you have said is you want new players in the game. what you all want is the ever decreasing circle of players so you can say for all that are left.. yes were still on top. the games becoming a dictatership or tyranny where those that have invested time money feel they are priveleged .

you sit at the head of the table a house of lords having spent money on buying all the mods or time getting them and are afraid of losing them. This is called a theocracy--- most would call it a monopoly--- you choose the content which you approve of, you don' put anymore money into the game and are not prepared to put more in, because you will lose your prestige your power.

personally couldn't care less, i know this game will never be reset... and i know that Dan does not even read these posts or forum and hasn't done for a long while...

so you are a group up there spent up don't need to spend more are not willing to experience change-- 1that may be for the better of the game -- people called them dinosaurs -- unable to change or accept change, because they were afraid that they wouldn't be in control after wards.... how many governments have needed control... change is inevitable.

as dans income dwindles as new players don't join and fat cats don't spend..... eventually will be just 1% of the player base left.

at the moment of all the registered players -probably 5% are active and playing, we lose .5% a month and gain .4% a month.

your in control were just peons -- you solve it...you control it.

who were the other legions that disabled your base recently, just curious?

oh also, it hasn't taken us longer than 2 hours to kill a base in over a year now, the last base that even came remotely close was PA's and we tanked that in an hour and 5 mins, with 19 fixers.

The few decide for the many? Instead of you decide for the many? I hear more people saying a reset is a bad idea than I hear people saying it's a good one.

You also want to take away what theyve earned, why should they lose it if they worked for it? Resetting doesnt level the playing field, it levels the future playing field and steals much more from the rich THAT EARNED IT. And sine you replied so quick, Im betting you didnt see my post above. You should read it. Your credence would be improved if you could be more accurate.

We're perfectly fine with sitting at the top because we use that experience to help new players.
Anyways, whats the point of a reset? Nothing will change. Those that no the best way to move forward in the game will still end up ahead and feed on the weak that get left behind.