I started the Paladins and the Crusaders with one simple goal. A legion that isn't full of jerks. I honestly saw us as the anti-DOO/Dy_es

It is getting harder and harder for us to be one of the good guys but we don't want to be bad guys so we are asking for your opinions. This IS NOT about the legions that start wars and then call us names and cry when we beat them. We don't care about those nits.

This is about the good guys, the legions that mind their own business or want to be our friends. We can't have NAPs with all of you and we can't expect dozens of players to remember/check an unofficial NAP on a list somewhere.

The biggest problem is there are a lot of nice planets out there and if you keep telling your legion they can't take planets they find, entually they are going to leave and go where that they can take the planets they want. That is the way to lose people, not grow.

I don't want to be bullies like the Dy_es. I also don't want to be restrictive to our players and stifle growth.

I know what the Dy_es and Darkside are going to say. I don't care about their opinions. I want to hear from the players and the legions that actually care about having some honor and treating other legions decently.

So how do we balance it? I am looking for standard rules we can give to our legion that are easy for everyone to understand and simple enough to keep track of.

I think if you're going to go after planets you should deal with it and retaliations from it yourself, unless it's in retaliation for them taking your planet. That's the only thing I've thought of. I don't really take planets though.

Since running a legion is like herding cats, I refer to all members as cats, it has gotten to the point that when they mess up, they meow now, it's funny. I only try to take planets from players no longer playing, I look at there rank and if it doesn't change in a week or so, I invade. Or if they are from a legion that has tried or succeeded in taking 1 from my cats.

Kaos, if you figure this out I will send 1,000,000 KU!

Keep up the good work, even when we war you are always honorable as are most (but not all) of you cats!

Same as a battle tab hit for an alert.. it all comes down to individual legion policies, and they are never the same lol.

In Stormkyn we see it like this.. taking planets is part of the game, a big part. There are 2 ways to do it. By yourself, or in a legion action. I cannot fault a player who by himself attempts to take, or takes and fluxes another legions' planet. He has acted alone, and will be disabled and farmed for 2 days. If we have a planet taken in such a manner, it is understood it is part of the game. There is no war.

If however we have numerous planets taken by the same legion within a few days, that is different, and we farm in return.

If a planet is taken by a legion action (numerous members), or is guarded by the legion (numerous ships) after, or worst of all (ask QUE).. taken by a legion action and fluxed.. it is war on that legion. We expect the same, but as I say... everyone is different.

I agree with Storm, it's normal to get invaded once in awhile. The more planets you have, the less any particular one matters, and the ones you care about, you usually put more defenses. But you don't die just because you lose a planet (although you might be pissed); I've learned to spread upgrades, and go for just sheer # of planets over maximum upgrades on any one. You can say NO my gaia or , oh hey I lost 2% of my AP, which in perspective isn't that much (I know, ppl can't be so unemotional about a Gaia lol). btw, Paladins have taken more of my mining planets (and only mining?) than anyone else, mostly when I was lower rank; I kind of laugh at that now how irritated I was and now I routinely find better stuff. Oddly though, I always did view Paladins as jerk for that reason, but it hasn't been an issue for a long time. I think it was just random chance. It taught me anyway to protect and manage my toxic planets better.

I agree with Stormkyn and Binary. Taking planets is part of the game. If you want to keep your planet, defend it in some way. If it's taken, take it back or get a new one. It's the way of things.

I tell my Legion that if you didn't defend your planet well enough to keep it, you didn't deserve it anyway. And, we look at planets owned by others in the same way.

If the only attack/defense/cloak on that Massive, Mega-Rich Mining planet is the two Phase Cutters, I see it as an invitation to invade, even if that planet is owned by Psycore himself.

speaking of which, i got one of your legion's planets

I do 10% space allocated to defenses, I figure that's reasonable. More if the richness is extreme, but not much more. Basically try to portion it to the planet's resource value. If it's lower than a certain amount, like say bottom 1/3 of my planets, I put minimal or don't bother anymore because I can replace the planet with something better anyway (well, no slot probs got 50 or so, but the cost..) The real bottom planets, I would just take off defense to let it get invaded to get rid of it by low ranks lol. I abandoned the ones I found completely worthless.

First of all, while defense helps at some levels, you would have to FILL a planet with defense to keep the Paladins, Ni, Dy_es from taking it. I can easily take a planet with a total of 12000 combined attack/defense and you guys don't get near that.

We are reshaping our policy for the legion because currently I spend more time dealing with who took what planet than I do playing. I am leaning towards something much more liberal but wanted to hear from the little guys because I do remember what it was like to be a little guy and get stomped.

Planet taking is part of the game and I LOVE taking planets, just wanted to come as close to finding a balance as we could.

Statements like this are one of the many ways to earn the title "nit" or "ninny." But what do you expect from someone that can't agree with themselves how to spell their own legion name...

I had a nice long winded response to this, but till I finished typing, I got logged out and lost it, so...

To make things short, we usually try to look for low rank inactives to take planets from. If something looks really good we try to stay in our own level. If something looks really, really, really good I will take it, flux it and suffer the requisite 2 days of lumps. If we take something from another legion we expect to be fought with and as long as everything remains civil and with good sportsmanship we're fine. If you can take it back, so be it, we let the matter end there unless there is further attacks AFTER the planet is recaptured.

If someone invades our planets expect us to fight for it. No matter who you are or what legion you are in. If we can't get it back due to fluxing or massive bricking we'll be happy to liberate one of your other planets.

That being said, I don't think invading a planet belonging to a lower ranked legion is bullying if it is done singlehanded. Its being opportunistic. Bullying s when it takes a big legion half their crew to take and hold a planet against a little legion. Kinda like the burly teenager and his cronies dangling in the air, just out of reach, the twinkie they just took from a 7 year old.

Bottom line, be polite, be civil, be good sports and things should work out fine. Maybe a little naive, but if more people actually were like that, it would work.

Lets get the guitars out, start a fire and sing Kumba ya. But if you guys want a policy for taking planets then like Kaos said you might lose more members. But Kaos your legion is always going to gain members because of its ranks. So don't worry.

We are not full and we turn people away and frequently boot people. It is about quality and not quantity.

Oh I know, you have to fill defenses or cloak to prevent the respective attack or scan of the upper legions. I just put the 10% (and usually its the 750 defense building not the 1200 unless it's a good planet, saves money) space in defense to stop random small-mid legions from randomly invading it, I can neither prevent the scan of a higher player nor stop a coordinated attack on it without sacrificing more resources than it's worth. I go for massive purgers and just finding enough planets that it doesn't matter anymore what I lose. Half of what I have if it got invaded I would just colonize 2 planets and get more resources than if I invaded to take it back; invasion cost makes it prohibitive once you start getting much beyond 150 planets.

this is how I have my "big dogs" do it when they take a planet of a lower level player, you take it, and check to see how the legion looks, if there aren't any players that can take you on then you build 1 attack and 1 defense structure on the planet. If the player you took it from keeps attacking it to try and take it back, set a trap, once they set it, talk things out with them. I don;t know how many times I've come up with a compromise this way where both players are happy. Just a suggestion that seems to work for The Rangers, only we normally take planets from high ranks or inactives.

you shall be crushed.

I've never lost a planet, but i've taken around 9, they disabled me 2/9 times, and left it at that.

Can't really compromise though.. the defender will never settle for less than their planet.
If you attack a planet, don't alert the response.
Better to alert the planet.
If you are helping defend a planet, you chose to participate.
Legion to legion war shouldn't occur.
94% of the legion probably had no control over it.
Most legion leaders have very little control over anything but somehow they are expected to be held accountable. We don't have the tools to monitor everyone. And who would want to?
I know our little legion struggles just to keep full with active players.
Most of us just want to play a game, not live it.
I do think there should be a shorter timer for response if there isn't a planet involved.
and maybe a ramp up of installed defenses just like production .. both sides have some chance that way..
but keep fluxes too.. else the small can't fight the big

So if the policy of the Stormkyn is that if a planet is taken by legion action and guarded by the legion then it means war then did you want war with me? About a month or so ago I had one of my planets taken from me by a Stormkyn member who used a cluster missile, reduced the pop to below 100, had another member who was a Zolazin Sabotour remove a 2nd defensive building, invade, and finish by both of them sitting on the planet. I believe that would be ample cause for war by your rules. Granted it was a nice planet that was lightly defended and I'm not surprised it was taken but for some reason I don't think you were trying to provoke a war so I'm going to assume you just went back on your own morals. Unless you didn't have them back then that is.

i think the stormkyn were prepared to go to war but must have been quite confident that it wouldn't go that far.
it seems that in this game 'might is right' is the watchword to go by.
personally, i wouldn't touch a planet belonging to a member of a top ten legion...not for myself, you understand...i dont want my legion mates being picked on for my 'greed' for a planet.
legions nearer to mine in strength i would check with the boss that there is no compelling reasons not to invade...i would offer to leave the legion for a couple of days and solo the planet if it meant my legion mates weren't dragged into a costly punch up

Kaos -

I don't think you'll find your answer. You simply can't NAP - officially or unofficially, all the "good" legions, because there are a lot of them out there. Taking planets is a key aspect of the game and the only expedient way to stock up on decent worlds.

You might have to enact several rules to control planet taking if you want to really avoid taking the worlds of legions you like... keeping in mind that those legions may not feel the same and consider some friendly planet taking to just be business as usual.