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Nocifer Deathblade wrote:
I knew that problem of saboteurs would get worse over time as legions would start to have army of them so I sticked to cloak all way and it is still best defense for me. I still haven't lost any good planets so far. I did lose very few junk ones where had low cloak but decent defense and defense was useless cuz of saboteurs. I had strengthen cloaks on all good ones so far so legions of army of saboteurs cannot do anything if they can't detect planets in the first place.. To me, cloak > defense/attack philosophy serves me very well so far..


Well Noci I've been getting hacked a lot lately and didn't notice a critical one.
It happened to be VL 16x's Toxic I was told later by the invader.

I do stack my planets with cloak and defense ..

Too bad the hack can detect it ... =\

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-1 unless i could also get a defense from the konquils extra 10% atack or every other bonus for race and proffesion in the game

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Seems very unbalanced here.

I'm a Saboteur, and let me point a few things out.

We still need to get the population down to 100. The population has to have been recently attacked (as in, within 15mins of an attempted sabotage), that also means it generally has to be higher than 10 as well.

If you want to defend against us, cloak.
If you're still worried, might I suggest lots more defensive structures and lots more population structures. Since we still need to get the population down to under 100 to sabotage.

If a low level legion is taking your planets due to Sabs, that's your fault for making it easy for them to get the population to under 100.


Well my planet was located by a crit hack that I didn't notice because I've been getting hacked a lot.
I cloak my plants very good .. my average is about 5k cloak per planet and my defense averages 10k per planet but I guess that I need to stack it with population.
I have to admit that I don't know anything about the Sab class but I'm glad that some of you guys came in here with some valuable information to everyone.

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Blitz you are still wrong on this. No sab can just "one click" and remove your defenses. There are other limitations too. The population must be below 100 before they can use it. Do you not know that? With all you " Ive been playing since Moses built the ark" talk I would think you would look a little more into an ability before you try to bash it. So there are many defenses that can be done. And hey, wait did you just brag earlier about taking a planet from a level 1000+, in a sense saying you can take anyones planet very easily but how dare anyone be able to do that to you? Yeah, i think i a round about way that is how you are coming off here. I digress, sabs have a timer, no other bonuses other than cloak, the pop must be below 100 and recently attacked. Please find something else to try to nerf now, this works as intended.


Ok you're right , I have no idea about the Sab but I do know that when they attack my planet gets taken and like I said earlier, I put more defense and cloak on my planets than most in our entire legion.
It's frustrating because I'm losing production compared to them because I stack my planet with the best cloak and a few or more Obviation shields.

I didn't brag that I took a rank +1000 planet. I said it as an example.
The guy had 1 Obviation Shield ( +1200 def ) and no cloak or other artifacts but had three +12 buildings on it.
In other words it was a steal ... easy ... piece of cake for most ranks over 500.

Thanks for digressing because you seem to have an attitude.


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Hi blitz, I as a sab take offense to limiting my ability anymore than it already is...
after taking months to grab planets to compensate for my loss' of other races much better gifts, I see somebody wanting to change the rules... if you change my rules on my ability will you also allow me to grab free planets of my choosing... this seems fair, to allow me to reform my game play.

also do what some have done and throw on more defense and attack and pop buildings...so as to try, YES TRY, to stop me. my sab ability is my PRIDE in this game. and I like the one I took last night too, tell your legion mate TY


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Nocifer Deathblade wrote:
I knew that problem of saboteurs would get worse over time as legions would start to have army of them so I sticked to cloak all way and it is still best defense for me. I still haven't lost any good planets so far. I did lose very few junk ones where had low cloak but decent defense and defense was useless cuz of saboteurs. I had strengthen cloaks on all good ones so far so legions of army of saboteurs cannot do anything if they can't detect planets in the first place.. To me, cloak > defense/attack philosophy serves me very well so far..



wow i find myself in agreement with you.... i stated earlier don't whine because you chose production over protection..... and if blitz legion has no sabs.... its his fault.... i feel kleenex stock is going to rise sharply very soon.....whats the world coming to


Do you have anything intelligent or informative to say in here ?
That's why I told you earlier that people like you don't need to post in here.

You come in here and try to stir #&$# up ... this isn't the place for that. It's a suggestion area where everyone chimes in and gives their ideas or information to why this works this way and that does this because .. etc ....

I haven't seen one positive informative comment in here which tells everyone in here a lot about you.

If you want to go somewhere to cause trouble , go the Galaxy Pub here or go to a bar.
Here isn't the place.

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-1 i totally disagree ... being a sab has so many draw backs ... you only get one passive bonus which isnt too bad as a few also olny have one but its restricted to cloak
i mean hell hacking isnt all tooo big at the moment and so i dnt see any point in takeing the sabs even lower in the race food chain hell a decent planet that you WANT to keep has at least 5 defencive structures ive noticed and theres never that many sabs on at a given time unless it was a planned attack

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@ JimSwarens ,

Well I did learn a lot in here talking to some of you that didn't have an attitude and I do see that it is a huge sacrifice while being one.

Having said that , it may be a good thing as a low rank although I still think the Sab's attack should influence the percentage of success rate.

Being a lower rank , a person has the ability to take real good planets with a lot higher percentage rate that will pay off later down the road.

Like some people said in here , a person can't be a Sab very long because they are missing out on a lot of other parts of the game.

Thanks for the info guys ...

that goes to you too 909tom

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IMHO , i don't think there should be any structures that directly defend against sabotuers. If someone is a Zolazin Sabotuer, then they have a pvp , NPC Combat and Planet production disadvatage.

However, i do think that population structures and Cloaking Satelites should be reduced to 2 (Instead of there sizes incrementing as the structures improve), i think this may work out.

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i do agree with that aswell (maybe cloak as like 3 tho) cuz if it was 2 cloaks would make a gd planet almost invisible yet 3 wil make it next to unspotable

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@ JimSwarens ,

Well I did learn a lot in here talking to some of you that didn't have an attitude and I do see that it is a huge sacrifice while being one.

Having said that , it may be a good thing as a low rank although I still think the Sab's attack should influence the percentage of success rate.

Being a lower rank , a person has the ability to take real good planets with a lot higher percentage rate that will pay off later down the road.

Like some people said in here , a person can't be a Sab very long because they are missing out on a lot of other parts of the game.

Thanks for the info guys ...

that goes to you too 909tom


hehe i said what other ppls been saying basicly :P

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# Blitz i hear you but to limit my ability in the slightest way still changes it, and I have been a sab , and havnt changed back... Im staying a sab...I like it...


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Xx Blitz xX wrote:
Well my planet was located by a crit hack that I didn't notice because I've been getting hacked a lot.


Unfortunately, that's the game. I remember a while back when a guy's made Dyson was crit-hacked (that's 10,000 cloak) and taken... by you guys in the Dysonians. This is a warfare game, so you'll have to remember Murphy's Military Law... 'if it can go wrong, it will'.

Xx Blitz xX wrote:
I cloak my plants very good .. my average is about 5k cloak per planet and my defense averages 10k per planet but I guess that I need to stack it with population.
I have to admit that I don't know anything about the Sab class but I'm glad that some of you guys came in here with some valuable information to everyone.


Next time, try jumping on the wiki first, it has a lot of useful information regarding any class.

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Next time, try jumping on the wiki first, it has a lot of useful information regarding any class.

ha thats actually how i got intrested fully into this game i was bored at my lower level and so i decided for some strange reason to look out the "manual" of a game
and i was answering questions from rank 150-200s when i was like 70 and im still looking forword to getting the 8 npc tabs

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Blitz you are still wrong on this. No sab can just "one click" and remove your defenses. There are other limitations too. The population must be below 100 before they can use it. Do you not know that? With all you " Ive been playing since Moses built the ark" talk I would think you would look a little more into an ability before you try to bash it. So there are many defenses that can be done. And hey, wait did you just brag earlier about taking a planet from a level 1000+, in a sense saying you can take anyones planet very easily but how dare anyone be able to do that to you? Yeah, i think i a round about way that is how you are coming off here. I digress, sabs have a timer, no other bonuses other than cloak, the pop must be below 100 and recently attacked. Please find something else to try to nerf now, this works as intended.


Ok you're right , I have no idea about the Sab but I do know that when they attack my planet gets taken and like I said earlier, I put more defense and cloak on my planets than most in our entire legion.
It's frustrating because I'm losing production compared to them because I stack my planet with the best cloak and a few or more Obviation shields.

I didn't brag that I took a rank +1000 planet. I said it as an example.
The guy had 1 Obviation Shield ( +1200 def ) and no cloak or other artifacts but had three +12 buildings on it.
In other words it was a steal ... easy ... piece of cake for most ranks over 500.

Thanks for digressing because you seem to have an attitude.


To be honest, I've never lost a planet to a bunch of Sabs. So, Either i'm doing something VERY right or youre doing something VERY wrong. There are ways to defend against them but considering the amount of critical hacks i get against your legion and the amount of sabs in my legion i am not about to drop the ball.

How is it any different to have a bunch of Konqul in a legion with the 20% increased attack? When you think about it, you got all these guys with the best cannons, thousands of tac officers, and a 20% bonus on top of that. You have even more of a chance to successfully invade a planet than any other race in the game.

You lost a nice 16x mega toxic because i critically hacked it from your database. You were online ALL day and you not once bothered to flux probe the planet, If you had you would have fluxed it. Your own actions caused you to lose the planet and not the sabs who helped us take it. I suggest you get over it. If my invade timer was good to go i would have taken it this morning. Think about it blitzypoo. You had 4-5 hours to flux the planet and you didnt. It's your own damn fault. Suck it up, buttercup.

Seeing as you've been getting bet out of shape lately i am going to make some suggestions to you. Whether you follow them or not, its your choice.
1) Check your NEWS feed. Whenever i get hacked i always check my news feed and if i see a notice about a critical hack i'll always flux probe my top planets. You have no one to blame but yourself on that one.
2) Stop upsetting half the galaxy. If so many people didnt dislike you and your legion they wouldn't be coming after you.
3) As long as you remain in my news feed you will be a target. I will come after you full force. The choice is yours. You can suck it up and move on or you can continue on fighting me. IF you havent already noticed, paulfrick has stopped farming me and i leave him alone. BobSmith appears to have stopped farming me and i leave him alone. You and Judy are the only two left. I'm in this for the long run, are you?

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Xx Blitz xX wrote:
Well my planet was located by a crit hack that I didn't notice because I've been getting hacked a lot.


Unfortunately, that's the game. I remember a while back when a guy's made Dyson was crit-hacked (that's 10,000 cloak) and taken... by you guys in the Dysonians. This is a warfare game, so you'll have to remember Murphy's Military Law... 'if it can go wrong, it will'.

Xx Blitz xX wrote:
I cloak my plants very good .. my average is about 5k cloak per planet and my defense averages 10k per planet but I guess that I need to stack it with population.
I have to admit that I don't know anything about the Sab class but I'm glad that some of you guys came in here with some valuable information to everyone.


Next time, try jumping on the wiki first, it has a lot of useful information regarding any class.


And who's dyson was that? Oh geez, that was MY Dyson, And i didnt even complain about it unlike blitzypoo is coming about his beautiful 16x toxic which is sitting in th hands of RoO right now.

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There are already counters to this problem, you guys just dont like them. You want the planet to be hard to open AND safe from the sabs ability. Put some pylons on or one of the countless defense/attack artifact already in existence. Is it not enough that some legions have advantages in every respect but this. They can do the same thing as NI and other legions have and have there own. This whole planet protection has gotten out of hand if this request fly's. It has gone from protecting planets that were bought, even though they were bought knowing full well the risk. Its not enough that dan made 1200 attack/defense from size 8 to size 2, now people want full production AND full protection. This is the other side of the time manipulator coin. "dont limit MY benefit, someone ELSE'S advantage. How far is the game going to be tailored to a hand full of people who no matter what they think they spend, Its nothing compared to what dan gets from the mass of players putting in 20-50 dollars where and there. Please just make planet owners adjust and not have there cake and eat it to.

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lolololol come on guys lets keep one chain clean of too much arguments

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Well my planet was located by a crit hack that I didn't notice because I've been getting hacked a lot.

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simple solution: have every time a sab attacks drop chance of success by 5-10% per use of ability. that way taking out all defenses would probably make the chance so low as to not be worth it (due to random selection of building)

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I love it, I have read so many times from the very people who want to put this limit on "dont fight back and you want get bullied" "just pve and you wont get alerted and bullied" and so classic "this is a war game".....NEWS FLASH.....planets are part of the WAR. Since you guys like to give real world military analogies is like this. Am i supposed to HAVE to leave your civilian population unmolested to support your war effort when i can conquer them instead by destroying there means to defend themselves?

If you going to do this make it so scan is much more affected by cloak when it comes to finding planets or make cloak satellites size 2 so i can have 10k of more cloak and you can even find them... In fact why not do away with planet battles entirely?

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