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Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:14 am Posts: 36 
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 notyjoey wrote: Xx Blitz xX wrote: Jason wrote: Blitz you are still wrong on this. No sab can just "one click" and remove your defenses. There are other limitations too. The population must be below 100 before they can use it. Do you not know that? With all you " Ive been playing since Moses built the ark" talk I would think you would look a little more into an ability before you try to bash it. So there are many defenses that can be done. And hey, wait did you just brag earlier about taking a planet from a level 1000+, in a sense saying you can take anyones planet very easily but how dare anyone be able to do that to you? Yeah, i think i a round about way that is how you are coming off here. I digress, sabs have a timer, no other bonuses other than cloak, the pop must be below 100 and recently attacked. Please find something else to try to nerf now, this works as intended. Ok you're right , I have no idea about the Sab but I do know that when they attack my planet gets taken and like I said earlier, I put more defense and cloak on my planets than most in our entire legion. It's frustrating because I'm losing production compared to them because I stack my planet with the best cloak and a few or more Obviation shields. I didn't brag that I took a rank +1000 planet. I said it as an example. The guy had 1 Obviation Shield ( +1200 def ) and no cloak or other artifacts but had three +12 buildings on it. In other words it was a steal ... easy ... piece of cake for most ranks over 500. Thanks for digressing because you seem to have an attitude. To be honest, I've never lost a planet to a bunch of Sabs. So, Either i'm doing something VERY right or youre doing something VERY wrong. There are ways to defend against them but considering the amount of critical hacks i get against your legion and the amount of sabs in my legion i am not about to drop the ball. How is it any different to have a bunch of Konqul in a legion with the 20% increased attack? When you think about it, you got all these guys with the best cannons, thousands of tac officers, and a 20% bonus on top of that. You have even more of a chance to successfully invade a planet than any other race in the game. You lost a nice 16x mega toxic because i critically hacked it from your database. You were online ALL day and you not once bothered to flux probe the planet, If you had you would have fluxed it. Your own actions caused you to lose the planet and not the sabs who helped us take it. I suggest you get over it. If my invade timer was good to go i would have taken it this morning. Think about it blitzypoo. You had 4-5 hours to flux the planet and you didnt. It's your own damn fault. Suck it up, buttercup. Seeing as you've been getting bet out of shape lately i am going to make some suggestions to you. Whether you follow them or not, its your choice. 1) Check your NEWS feed. Whenever i get hacked i always check my news feed and if i see a notice about a critical hack i'll always flux probe my top planets. You have no one to blame but yourself on that one. 2) Stop upsetting half the galaxy. If so many people didnt dislike you and your legion they wouldn't be coming after you. 3) As long as you remain in my news feed you will be a target. I will come after you full force. The choice is yours. You can suck it up and move on or you can continue on fighting me. IF you havent already noticed, paulfrick has stopped farming me and i leave him alone. BobSmith appears to have stopped farming me and i leave him alone. You and Judy are the only two left. I'm in this for the long run, are you? I have seen and taken a few planets that had no defense on them from your legion and others. One was a shadow planet with 15x research. Defending your planets is a necessary part of the game. So it stands to reason that there will be countermeasures to lessen or disable said defenses. Blitz, my legion leader has given you some good advice. Noci, a leader from your legion has also given a good idea of adding cloak to your planets and you did have cloak. However a lucky hack will override any amount of cloak as you found out. One final bit of advice I would give is to use passive boosts as these don't take up any space on a planet. The Sab ability has only two targets attack and defense structures that cost credits and minerals to build. Artifact structures and passive planet abilities are immune to what a Sab can do. These are also boosted by the legion bonus. So when you get the passive defense to the max of 1000 it will be doubled by your legion bonus to 2000. Add any artifact defense and you are talking a nice number. This might even be enough to prevent some attacks from starting. I am a rank 260 and I worked hard to become a sab for ROO. My legion mates know what I went through, several weeks of no boss/elites, no missions other than the Zonazin chain. I am still trying to play catchup with missions and missed NPC drops. The downfalls of the race and profession have already been stated and they are a deterrent. Not everyone can deal with the loss of attack strength, lower upkeep costs or other race/profession bonuses. I am proud to help out my legion mates when they want to take a planet. To be honest it takes a coordinated effort to take a well defended planet. If one person fails there are others that step up to the plate and try. If we want a planet it will be taken unless we have a NAP with the legion that controls that planet. |
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No limitation on the sab ability. Feeling pressure is good, it denotes balance. I don't want to single out Dysonians as whiners or anything, but it seems that anytime something that's fine with everyone else inconveniences you guys, suddenly it makes sense to limit or remove them. Just my own observation. The sab ability is fine as is.
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Quaritch wrote: No limitation on the sab ability. Feeling pressure is good, it denotes balance. I don't want to single out Dysonians as whiners or anything, but it seems that anytime something that's fine with everyone else inconveniences you guys, suddenly it makes sense to limit or remove them. Just my own observation. The sab ability is fine as is. I don't think that Blitz realised that as a Saboteur, we actually have limitations put on us by our profession. We don't get any extra passive stats, and we certainly can't use our ability all the time. _________________ Lords of Infinity Recruiting Minions of level 700+ Owner of Zee Infinite Mug Zee Captein And since that fateful day, I have been at war with all traffic lights. |
| Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:59 pm |
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The most logical answer in my oppinion is to limit the amout of sabotages per planet per day. i just lost a heavily defended 2x terra to kaos who had the lower levels drop vaporizers on it and then had two other guys sabotage it had 12600 defense 1500 offense and around 850 population if that can be invaded nothing is safe aside from mission dysons and exotics.
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| Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:25 pm |
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youre right. nothing is safe except for mission planets, and if those are discovered sometimes not even those are safe. anyway, i proposed an artifact that would give the 10k bonus passives to a planet, regardless of what it was. it would be like the terra project but would require planet fluxes, and could be done up to 10 times. between that and special structures would be your best bet on defending a planet.
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Quaritch wrote: No limitation on the sab ability. Feeling pressure is good, it denotes balance. I don't want to single out Dysonians as whiners or anything, but it seems that anytime something that's fine with everyone else inconveniences you guys, suddenly it makes sense to limit or remove them. Just my own observation. The sab ability is fine as is. i agree with you _________________ join delta surfers! we have cookies thanks xzien and thunderbolta for the banners!   |
| Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:00 pm |
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Raymond2012 wrote: The most logical answer in my oppinion is to limit the amout of sabotages per planet per day. i just lost a heavily defended 2x terra to kaos who had the lower levels drop vaporizers on it and then had two other guys sabotage it had 12600 defense 1500 offense and around 850 population if that can be invaded nothing is safe aside from mission dysons and exotics. Dude it is limited. A sab can only use their ability once ever 8 hours. _________________ Nocifer Deathblade wrote: Hey.. I have to correct you.. My legion doesn't have multi-account.. Orion Bank doesn't exist..  What have we here?https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001147963475&sk=friends&v=friends |
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Obscura wrote: Raymond2012 wrote: The most logical answer in my oppinion is to limit the amout of sabotages per planet per day. i just lost a heavily defended 2x terra to kaos who had the lower levels drop vaporizers on it and then had two other guys sabotage it had 12600 defense 1500 offense and around 850 population if that can be invaded nothing is safe aside from mission dysons and exotics. Dude it is limited. A sab can only use their ability once ever 8 hours. Yeah, but more than one saboteur can hit a planet. He's saying they should limit how many can hit a planet. |
| Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:03 pm |
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FerrusManus wrote: Yeah, but more than one saboteur can hit a planet. He's saying they should limit how many can hit a planet. Well if that is the case we might as well just get rid of the whole profession. Losing 1 defense or attack module doesn't make much of a difference when it is used. But a well planned attack it what it takes for this to be possible. Seems to be a lot of whining form those that do not routinely check to see if their valuable planets are found. For example Ferrus, that oceanic one we took from you I had in scans for 2 months before I decided it was time to go. If it was that valuable you should have noticed and fluxed it. I have many planets that others can see, but the important ones I check at a ridiculous close interval. And I have temporal flux to make them go bye bye upon being found. _________________ Nocifer Deathblade wrote: Hey.. I have to correct you.. My legion doesn't have multi-account.. Orion Bank doesn't exist.. What have we here?https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001147963475&sk=friends&v=friends |
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FerrusManus wrote: Obscura wrote: Raymond2012 wrote: The most logical answer in my oppinion is to limit the amout of sabotages per planet per day. i just lost a heavily defended 2x terra to kaos who had the lower levels drop vaporizers on it and then had two other guys sabotage it had 12600 defense 1500 offense and around 850 population if that can be invaded nothing is safe aside from mission dysons and exotics. Dude it is limited. A sab can only use their ability once ever 8 hours. Yeah, but more than one saboteur can hit a planet. He's saying they should limit how many can hit a planet. well then why not also put a limit to how many people can attack a planet or use artifacts against a planet in a day also _________________ join delta surfers! we have cookies thanks xzien and thunderbolta for the banners! |
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Like i say, there should be no limit. Thy're like an army of spies, i just think population and claoking structures should be reduced to two.
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FerrusManus wrote: Obscura wrote: Raymond2012 wrote: The most logical answer in my oppinion is to limit the amout of sabotages per planet per day. i just lost a heavily defended 2x terra to kaos who had the lower levels drop vaporizers on it and then had two other guys sabotage it had 12600 defense 1500 offense and around 850 population if that can be invaded nothing is safe aside from mission dysons and exotics. Dude it is limited. A sab can only use their ability once ever 8 hours. Yeah, but more than one saboteur can hit a planet. He's saying they should limit how many can hit a planet. Dear the UN Please make it so that we may only ever be carpet bombed ONCE per day. Sincerely, Every country that ever got bombed. _________________ Lords of Infinity Recruiting Minions of level 700+ Owner of Zee Infinite Mug Zee Captein And since that fateful day, I have been at war with all traffic lights. |
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Commonwealth <TK> wrote: Like i say, there should be no limit. Thy're like an army of spies, i just think population and claoking structures should be reduced to two. I have never built Population structures due to its enormous size, same with claoking. When population structures are smaller, they will be worth building and more difficult for a legion to bring the planet population below 100. Yep I agree with you there. I put 2 of the best cloak satellites and and one of the 2nd best with 3 or more Obviation shields with all of the artifacts that I can fit on the planet that increase production , cloak , defense , attack and population. The best population structures take up 6 slots. That's too much space. Sure I want the population but I already have to put a lot of defense on it to defend from an entire legion plus their Sabs. I have to have some production that's worth having the planet. Right now it's a trade off between Defense , Population , and Cloak ... you have to pick 3 of them but it's very hard to have all three and have decent production. |
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notyjoey wrote: Xx Blitz xX wrote: Jason wrote: Blitz you are still wrong on this. No sab can just "one click" and remove your defenses. There are other limitations too. The population must be below 100 before they can use it. Do you not know that? With all you " Ive been playing since Moses built the ark" talk I would think you would look a little more into an ability before you try to bash it. So there are many defenses that can be done. And hey, wait did you just brag earlier about taking a planet from a level 1000+, in a sense saying you can take anyones planet very easily but how dare anyone be able to do that to you? Yeah, i think i a round about way that is how you are coming off here. I digress, sabs have a timer, no other bonuses other than cloak, the pop must be below 100 and recently attacked. Please find something else to try to nerf now, this works as intended. Ok you're right , I have no idea about the Sab but I do know that when they attack my planet gets taken and like I said earlier, I put more defense and cloak on my planets than most in our entire legion. It's frustrating because I'm losing production compared to them because I stack my planet with the best cloak and a few or more Obviation shields. I didn't brag that I took a rank +1000 planet. I said it as an example. The guy had 1 Obviation Shield ( +1200 def ) and no cloak or other artifacts but had three +12 buildings on it. In other words it was a steal ... easy ... piece of cake for most ranks over 500. Thanks for digressing because you seem to have an attitude. To be honest, I've never lost a planet to a bunch of Sabs. So, Either i'm doing something VERY right or youre doing something VERY wrong. There are ways to defend against them but considering the amount of critical hacks i get against your legion and the amount of sabs in my legion i am not about to drop the ball. How is it any different to have a bunch of Konqul in a legion with the 20% increased attack? When you think about it, you got all these guys with the best cannons, thousands of tac officers, and a 20% bonus on top of that. You have even more of a chance to successfully invade a planet than any other race in the game. You lost a nice 16x mega toxic because i critically hacked it from your database. You were online ALL day and you not once bothered to flux probe the planet, If you had you would have fluxed it. Your own actions caused you to lose the planet and not the sabs who helped us take it. I suggest you get over it. If my invade timer was good to go i would have taken it this morning. Think about it blitzypoo. You had 4-5 hours to flux the planet and you didnt. It's your own damn fault. Suck it up, buttercup. Seeing as you've been getting bet out of shape lately i am going to make some suggestions to you. Whether you follow them or not, its your choice. 1) Check your NEWS feed. Whenever i get hacked i always check my news feed and if i see a notice about a critical hack i'll always flux probe my top planets. You have no one to blame but yourself on that one. 2) Stop upsetting half the galaxy. If so many people didnt dislike you and your legion they wouldn't be coming after you. 3) As long as you remain in my news feed you will be a target. I will come after you full force. The choice is yours. You can suck it up and move on or you can continue on fighting me. IF you havent already noticed, paulfrick has stopped farming me and i leave him alone. BobSmith appears to have stopped farming me and i leave him alone. You and Judy are the only two left. I'm in this for the long run, are you? I used all of my flux probes from the weekly mission to get the extra research so no I couldn't keep probing my planets all of the time. lol you're retarded calling me blitzypoo and buttercup . I could come up with some funny ass names in here with your name but I won't. No reason to start a bunch of #&$# in here. I did check my news feed .. I was hacked and raided a lot by you and FRAIL so it was really hard finding it because we have a lot of NPC alerts too. My news feed was completely chaotic so I hope that answers that. I don't upset the galaxy. I do what I need to do and I defend my legion and I respond to alerts. I can't do anything to anyone unless they do something to a legion member. You know that we can keep fighting forever but you have to remember that Paul Fricke is away on military duty as well as Krauzen. You haven't been fighting the complete cream of the crop so I hope you understand that. |
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Xx Blitz xX wrote: I did check my news feed .. I was hacked and raided a lot by you and FRAIL so it was really hard finding it because we have a lot of NPC alerts too. My news feed was completely chaotic so I hope that answers that. . Yeah exactly.. I had requested Dan long time ago to separate PVP and NPC logs and he did it for NPC but PVP still needs some work because PVP spamming with raid/hack can easily drown out any planetary invasion messages. Ouch. Sorry about 16x. Yeah, that's the risk against crit hack but that's just really luck of the draw that comes with risk of the game. He's just lucky enough to crit hack a good planet instead of junk planets sometimes not belong to you.. It's just a lucky roll of a dice at best. I crit-hack several times and almost got junk planets every time.. There is no sense to fix that "problem". It's working great as intended. Far better than old crit hack system that was too easy to crit and got too many good planets. I'm glad that it got nerfed a lot to the point that it is very reasonable now.. |
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Xx Blitz xX wrote: I used all of my flux probes from the weekly mission to get the extra research so no I couldn't keep probing my planets all of the time. lol you're retarded calling me blitzypoo and buttercup . I could come up with some funny ass names in here with your name but I won't. No reason to start a bunch of #&$# in here. I did check my news feed .. I was hacked and raided a lot by you and FRAIL so it was really hard finding it because we have a lot of NPC alerts too. My news feed was completely chaotic so I hope that answers that. I don't upset the galaxy. I do what I need to do and I defend my legion and I respond to alerts. I can't do anything to anyone unless they do something to a legion member. You know that we can keep fighting forever but you have to remember that Paul Fricke is away on military duty as well as Krauzen. You haven't been fighting the complete cream of the crop so I hope you understand that. Wait just a minute. Are you saying that since there was a mission that required flux probes its not fair you used them all for that. Hey man, thats all on you then. Either you just used poor judgment or thought you were untouchable, which i guess would just be poor judgment. Another idea would be to keep a minimum amount of flux probes available to safeguard your move valuable assets. Dont blame the system for your choice of running out of something. You are also not the only legion that has players deployed oversees, we do as well. However we refrain from attacking those who are deployed. You do not, which kinda makes me think of you as scum. And you spelled your legion mates name wrong. _________________ Don't mind me, I'm just here for the planet. |
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Jason wrote: Xx Blitz xX wrote: I used all of my flux probes from the weekly mission to get the extra research so no I couldn't keep probing my planets all of the time. lol you're retarded calling me blitzypoo and buttercup . I could come up with some funny ass names in here with your name but I won't. No reason to start a bunch of #&$# in here. I did check my news feed .. I was hacked and raided a lot by you and FRAIL so it was really hard finding it because we have a lot of NPC alerts too. My news feed was completely chaotic so I hope that answers that. I don't upset the galaxy. I do what I need to do and I defend my legion and I respond to alerts. I can't do anything to anyone unless they do something to a legion member. You know that we can keep fighting forever but you have to remember that Paul Fricke is away on military duty as well as Krauzen. You haven't been fighting the complete cream of the crop so I hope you understand that. Wait just a minute. Are you saying that since there was a mission that required flux probes its not fair you used them all for that. Hey man, thats all on you then. Either you just used poor judgment or thought you were untouchable, which i guess would just be poor judgment. Another idea would be to keep a minimum amount of flux probes available to safeguard your move valuable assets. Dont blame the system for your choice of running out of something. You are also not the only legion that has players deployed oversees, we do as well. However we refrain from attacking those who are deployed. You do not, which kinda makes me think of you as scum. And you spelled your legion mates name wrong. Did I say unfair ? no .... I gave the explanation why I didn't probe them all. lol how did I use poor judgement when I didn't have any to use ? I used them all as most of our legion did to finish the mission. Didn't you ? If I was untouchable I wouldn't be able to lose a planet would I ? You seem to have a serious attitude problem .. I'd go get checked for that. You're wrong about us not attacking military men and women when we are told about it. We were asked to leave Roast alone and we did with no problem. There was no other name brought to our attention to back off from for that reason. If there is let us know. Look , I'm a Veteran and we have 2 guys that I know of that are on active duty right now so yes I'm sensitive to that. Have you served your country or are currently serving ? If you did or are currently , you would understand that we all have each others backs. Anyone that signs up to defend , fight and possibly die for their country deserves everyones up most respect. We respect that as well as you should too. By the way Krauzen is on the kill list leader board and is currently on an assignment. If you guys are patriotic you'd leave him alone until he gets back. Thanks .... You're right I spelled Paul Frick's name wrong. Thanks for pointing that out. |
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Xx Blitz xX wrote: lol how did I use poor judgement when I didn't have any to use ? I used them all as most of our legion did to finish the mission. Didn't you ? No because I do not have enough AP to pull that off, like most I will have to wait until it is in the missions list to do it. _________________ Nocifer Deathblade wrote: Hey.. I have to correct you.. My legion doesn't have multi-account.. Orion Bank doesn't exist.. What have we here?https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001147963475&sk=friends&v=friends |
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Obscura wrote: Xx Blitz xX wrote: lol how did I use poor judgement when I didn't have any to use ? I used them all as most of our legion did to finish the mission. Didn't you ? No because I do not have enough AP to pull that off, like most I will have to wait until it is in the missions list to do it. I don't think that this will be in the mission list since it was a weekly mission. |
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Obscura wrote: Xx Blitz xX wrote: lol how did I use poor judgement when I didn't have any to use ? I used them all as most of our legion did to finish the mission. Didn't you ? No because I do not have enough AP to pull that off, like most I will have to wait until it is in the missions list to do it. lol I used them and many of other players as well to finish that mission. You needed like 400 total to do it. I was paying people left and right for the probes. _________________ as always Semper Fidelis (CPL USMC) |
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