I was looking at the strength leaderboard not the rank leaderboard i assumed that with our legion being a higher average rank and higher average strength we could reach it i removed 3 under rank 50 players who where inactive and both those stats rised by 100 i am obviously wrong to think that making it on the strength leaderboard is determined by average rank and average strength.

well at the rate some of us in the legion are ranking, we'll be on the rank leaderboard in no time!

Inactive members don't count towards total legion strength or rank for the purposes of the leaderboards.

It multiplies average level (which includes inactive players) by the number of active players. It is always up to date, just not entirely accurate. I'm guessing it works the same way for strength.

That is correct, leaderboard stats are a tally of the TOTAL rank and strength of all ships in the legion, NOT the average rank and strength of the legion in question

You couldn't have possibly even seen everyones strength to possibly know that. It is what I said before. It takes the average strength of all the members whether they are active or not (the thing you can see) and it multiplies it by active members. it is only noticeable and confirmable for level because average level doesn't constantly fluctuate. I've seen people go inactive and the average level go up along with the total level due to rounding or some weird discrepancy I don't care to explain. The total level is always a multiple of total active members and the same is true for strength but people going inactive doesn't affect the average though so it can cause some discrepancies.

(average level of all members)*(total active members)

if you dont believe me divide any legions total strength by average strength and see if you can come up with a number that isn't a round number. I know inactives affect the average and I know that they don't affect the total and the total is based only off of the average.

no it's the TOTAL strength and TOTAL levels of the legion members that gets your legion on the leaderboards

if you have 50 members your total level will always be divisible by 50. it goes up each time the average rank goes up. it rounds to the nearest number that is divisible by total active legion members and it is always up to date. the reason is that it is just multiplying the average (which is rounded to the nearest whole number) by total active members.

you can divide any legions total level by members and get the average level every time without decimals. if what you were saying is true, the odds of this happening would be 1/members because it would almost always be a decimal rather than an integer. You can add up total levels and do it longhand to prove yourself wrong if you would like.

Definition: Average
Sum (total) divided by number of samples
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total = a1 + a2 + a3 + ...
average = total / count
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average * count = total / count * count
average * count = total
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you both are right, but Zod you are still a little wrong...

Total is calculated before the average is calculated because total has to be found to obtain the average. Once total is found, it is divided by the number of people to obtain the average, and fractions are usually rounded in this game before most numbers are ever shown.

if you take the rounded average and multiply it by the number of members, you come out with a number that's close but not exact because of the rounding that you didn't see.

yes, those are sound mathematical definitions. I guess I'm saying that the term "total" in the game is a misnomer. It is a retabulation based on a level average that, in reality, should be a decimal.

(average level rounded to the nearest whole number including inactive members)*(total members not including inactive members)

There is no "is it up to date?" because it is always up to date the second you click it if you use this formula. If it calculated the total level by adding up peoples level, as a real total is, it would be a decimal almost every time you divided the total by average level, because the true average is bound to be a decimal itself. It is never a decimal this way and it is always up to date. The level average is always up to date to, it just happens to be rounded. For some reason it was easier for the programmer to make a short cut using existing data or maybe there was some design to give disincentive to keeping inactive members around. I'm not a mind reader. I just know that that is how it was done.

This is the last time I'm going to say it. Check for yourself. On any legion with active or inactive members. add up the total and see if it is the same. It isn't. Use that formula and it is always up to date.

correct, the strength score isn't the real total
it's the rounded average * members

I don't know why Dan chose to do it this way... it asks the server to do one extra unnecessary calculation every time someone adjusts attack and defense, and it introduces rounding error

I would just like to update this with this


Congratulation's team

GO AOA!

Are you saying that some Legions start off great? To my knowledge every Legion starts off as nothing. It's not like Dan decides from time to time: "Oh, that Legion has a pretty cool name. Might as well program them in some strong ass $%&% allies and put them on the Leaderboards."

Yes legion's do start off great example 3 or 4 legions merge into one NEW legion and make it like 20th on the leaderboard in one day as seen ALL over the leaderboard what i meant was a core group of players in ONE legion staying LOYAL and working towards the goal im not taking anything away from strong legions tho that merge into one they are great in there own way.
My point is that we have REALLY earned our spot and we done it ourselves ONE LEGION! its shows inspiration to any new legion that they can get on the leaderboard if your willing to work hard for it .

However, the initial Legions that made up this one new Legion started from scratch. Which in turn makes the outcome a Legion that started from several Legions that started from scratch.

If that doesn't satisfy you, for the first few minutes before anyone joins the new Legion it is small and weak. It starts off as nothing.

The only things that an inactive pilot dos not contribute to are the legion defensive bonus, and are not counted toward base production (I think, not sure on that one). Their numbers are totaled along with everyone else's as far as the leaderboards are concerened.