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Remric
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:52 am Posts: 1742 Location: Bridge of my ship, preparing thousands of my tactical officers for the next battle
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wolfprince01 wrote: Darth Flagitious wrote: blakespon wrote: either the percent increase or just make them stackable either way something needs to be done Percentage based is best because NO other ship buff is stackable. To be fair you would have to change that (at least for scan) and you'd end up with all kinds of superbuffed ships running around and no one would be safe. But it would give me a use for the 400+ Crimson Obelisk I have and the 15-30 get each day. Wolf your going off topic. Dan will never make buffs stackable.
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Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:02 pm |
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Lone.Lycan
Joined: Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:44 am Posts: 3751
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the timed buffs that are added directly to your ship from early missions are stackable with themselves...
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Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:52 pm |
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Darth Flagitious
Joined: Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:49 pm Posts: 8964
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Lone.Lycan wrote: the timed buffs that are added directly to your ship from early missions are stackable with themselves... But are limited in quantity. A stackable cloak buff would allow for unlimited hacking (at least till you get bunny locked), a stackable scan or attack buff means no planet is safe, etc... I think we can all agree that would seriously unbalance things...
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Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:59 pm |
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RIcky
Joined: Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:18 am Posts: 7
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From what it seems to be. I think you need the dark pyramid to have different ability for different levels. Like for Level 1-50 +50 cloak Level 51-100 +100 cloak Level 101-200 +150 cloak etc.
Maybe this would solve this level and usefulness dispute.
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Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:08 pm |
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Darth Flagitious
Joined: Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:49 pm Posts: 8964
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RIcky wrote: From what it seems to be. I think you need the dark pyramid to have different ability for different levels. Like for Level 1-50 +50 cloak Level 51-100 +100 cloak Level 101-200 +150 cloak etc.
Maybe this would solve this level and usefulness dispute. Straight percentage is easier to code and does a better job scaling.
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Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:32 pm |
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Apollo_
Joined: Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:24 pm Posts: 178
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Ok, Someone please educate me. So the general consensus is that you want a +15% cloaking buff for 1 hour... Cloak which is predominantly used For hacking defense/attack and avoiding the BT and perhaps if your really anal about a certain planet you can use it to hide your planet (easier ways to do this). how does a new arti that protects you for 1 hour help in any huge manner? 1 hour is not sufficent time to help due to the fact if your online and get attacked... throw some traps on... who ever is attacking will quit. nulls are too valuable. If your offline... its likely for more then 1 hour. so the BT thing is out. whats left hacking defense/attack. I'll start with attack. sha'din algorithm. the arti from the zolazin mission (30% cloaking for an ENTIRE day. CM able) but you would have to be online for this to be beneficial I.E hack someone. Defense. again 1 hour...>.< i cant speak for anyone but myself but I'm on nearly the entire day. only time i log off is when i leave for several hours or go to sleep. so what is the intended purpose of this new mystery arti? to me it seems like the only practical application for something like this would be to increase hacking ability generated from additional cloaking. but their are currently artifacts in place for something like that. Seems like a bunch of QQing over an arti that doesnt have much purpose without giving reasonable solutions. I agree with those before me that a % increase just widens the gap. perhaps make something along the lines of a crux amplifier in the arti lab though i still dont see much practical use besides hacking players. Let the flaming commence 
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Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:05 am |
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Darth Flagitious
Joined: Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:49 pm Posts: 8964
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zlchadwell wrote: Ok, Someone please educate me. So the general consensus is that you want a +15% cloaking buff for 1 hour... Cloak which is predominantly used For hacking defense/attack and avoiding the BT and perhaps if your really anal about a certain planet you can use it to hide your planet (easier ways to do this). how does a new arti that protects you for 1 hour help in any huge manner? 1 hour is not sufficent time to help due to the fact if your online and get attacked... throw some traps on... who ever is attacking will quit. nulls are too valuable. If your offline... its likely for more then 1 hour. so the BT thing is out. whats left hacking defense/attack. I'll start with attack. sha'din algorithm. the arti from the zolazin mission (30% cloaking for an ENTIRE day. CM able) but you would have to be online for this to be beneficial I.E hack someone. Defense. again 1 hour...>.< i cant speak for anyone but myself but I'm on nearly the entire day. only time i log off is when i leave for several hours or go to sleep. so what is the intended purpose of this new mystery arti? to me it seems like the only practical application for something like this would be to increase hacking ability generated from additional cloaking. but their are currently artifacts in place for something like that. Seems like a bunch of QQing over an arti that doesnt have much purpose without giving reasonable solutions. I agree with those before me that a % increase just widens the gap. perhaps make something along the lines of a crux amplifier in the arti lab though i still dont see much practical use besides hacking players. Let the flaming commence  No flaming, just a little exposition.... Only a couple people said anything about 1 hour. The current Dark Pyramid has an effect timer of 10 hours. By changing the current to a percentage based buff, you would get that extra cloak for said 10 hours which WOULD make a difference to many players who prefer not to wake up disabled every day.
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Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:32 am |
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Remric
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:52 am Posts: 1742 Location: Bridge of my ship, preparing thousands of my tactical officers for the next battle
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I now know how Senators and Representatives feel. A good bill suggested but then it has to go through the process. He He
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Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:48 am |
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Darth Flagitious
Joined: Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:49 pm Posts: 8964
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Remric wrote: I now know how Senators and Representatives feel. A good bill suggested but then it has to go through the process. He He 
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Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:09 am |
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Remric
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:52 am Posts: 1742 Location: Bridge of my ship, preparing thousands of my tactical officers for the next battle
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So its a nice thing that almost everyone who saw this thread believes that the dark pyramid needs upgrading.
I wonder if DAN has seen this page.
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Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:56 pm |
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Jason
Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:40 pm Posts: 193
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zlchadwell wrote: Ok, Someone please educate me. So the general consensus is that you want a +15% cloaking buff for 1 hour... Cloak which is predominantly used For hacking defense/attack and avoiding the BT and perhaps if your really anal about a certain planet you can use it to hide your planet (easier ways to do this). how does a new arti that protects you for 1 hour help in any huge manner? 1 hour is not sufficent time to help due to the fact if your online and get attacked... throw some traps on... who ever is attacking will quit. nulls are too valuable. If your offline... its likely for more then 1 hour. so the BT thing is out. whats left hacking defense/attack. I'll start with attack. sha'din algorithm. the arti from the zolazin mission (30% cloaking for an ENTIRE day. CM able) but you would have to be online for this to be beneficial I.E hack someone. Defense. again 1 hour...>.< i cant speak for anyone but myself but I'm on nearly the entire day. only time i log off is when i leave for several hours or go to sleep. so what is the intended purpose of this new mystery arti? to me it seems like the only practical application for something like this would be to increase hacking ability generated from additional cloaking. but their are currently artifacts in place for something like that. Seems like a bunch of QQing over an arti that doesnt have much purpose without giving reasonable solutions. I agree with those before me that a % increase just widens the gap. perhaps make something along the lines of a crux amplifier in the arti lab though i still dont see much practical use besides hacking players. Let the flaming commence  I would say the majority of players do not get to enjoy the game as often as you do. Wish i could. Most players go through a majority of the day away from the game so an enhanced cloaking buff could really benefit them. I remember back when i was still going through the research tree thinking to myself how weak cloak was becoming. It is always possible to have way more scan than cloak for most players so the +50 really doesnt help once you get above 100. This is still the case in end game when you have gotten large enough to hold everything possible, but cloak helps in many more ways than just staying off of the BT. Counter hacking I would think would be the most beneficial. Sure it might be able to be removed with a missile (I really hope not though) but that is one more action the player has to perform against you. Like you also stated it could help cloak planets. I am sure all of us a have a planet or 2 that we cannot make immune and dont want anyone to find. A little boost to help hide it doesnt hurt anyone. I guess if you dont like it you dont have to use it but with every other stat out there having multiple buffs available it would be nice to see cloak get a little love this holiday season too.
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Apollo_
Joined: Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:24 pm Posts: 178
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Darth Flagitious wrote: zlchadwell wrote: Ok, Someone please educate me. So the general consensus is that you want a +15% cloaking buff for 1 hour... Cloak which is predominantly used For hacking defense/attack and avoiding the BT and perhaps if your really anal about a certain planet you can use it to hide your planet (easier ways to do this). how does a new arti that protects you for 1 hour help in any huge manner? 1 hour is not sufficent time to help due to the fact if your online and get attacked... throw some traps on... who ever is attacking will quit. nulls are too valuable. If your offline... its likely for more then 1 hour. so the BT thing is out. whats left hacking defense/attack. I'll start with attack. sha'din algorithm. the arti from the zolazin mission (30% cloaking for an ENTIRE day. CM able) but you would have to be online for this to be beneficial I.E hack someone. Defense. again 1 hour...>.< i cant speak for anyone but myself but I'm on nearly the entire day. only time i log off is when i leave for several hours or go to sleep. so what is the intended purpose of this new mystery arti? to me it seems like the only practical application for something like this would be to increase hacking ability generated from additional cloaking. but their are currently artifacts in place for something like that. Seems like a bunch of QQing over an arti that doesnt have much purpose without giving reasonable solutions. I agree with those before me that a % increase just widens the gap. perhaps make something along the lines of a crux amplifier in the arti lab though i still dont see much practical use besides hacking players. Let the flaming commence  No flaming, just a little exposition.... Only a couple people said anything about 1 hour. The current Dark Pyramid has an effect timer of 10 hours. By changing the current to a percentage based buff, you would get that extra cloak for said 10 hours which WOULD make a difference to many players who prefer not to wake up disabled every day. this is something i can support because previous to this comment everyone has been saying it isnt just for the purpose of hacking. with a one hour timer there is no other purpose. so with this 10 hour timer suggested (theoretically) it could be used to help hide a person from the BT over night. and in response to jason... yea im aware i play this game often but the point i was trying to make was that unless the timer was increased (which makes increasing the amount of cloaking ya get dicy) then the cloak has no other purpose then to hack an individual. and if this is the only purpose of the new artifact in the works well people are just QQing because there are currently other ways to do so. summary. the timer would have to increase in addition to the artifacts bonus but not so much so that a player becomes permenantly invisible.
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Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:35 am |
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Remric
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:52 am Posts: 1742 Location: Bridge of my ship, preparing thousands of my tactical officers for the next battle
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So the suggestions so far that seems to be appealing would be to make it a +50 +% for this artifact to really make a difference.
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Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:58 am |
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