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Commonwealth <TK>
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Commonwealth <TK> wrote: Invasion was a failure. Planetary defenses were strong enough to ward off your advance You had a 85% chance of success
I had attempted Invasion On this planet. (Don't Worry, this isn't a complaint/whine etc)
My Invasion Attack was 3019.5
-Light Singularity Launcher x8 -Leviathan Rift-Emitter x2 -Vortul Blast Phaser x2 -Psionic Amplifier (60) -Lazuli Mind Controller x3 (70 Each) -Dominion Cannon x4 -Crimson Auto-Phaser x2 -Prototype Mech XV -Combat Analyzer -37 Tactical Officers
X1.3(Artifacts) stuff like lazuli mind controllers and psionic amplifiers bonus invasion attack are amplified with artifacts
Planet Invasion Defence was 1193 (Defence + Attck) --------------------------------------- FORMULA= Your invasion attacked divided by 3 divided by planet total defence. [(Your Invasion Attack/3)/Planet Defence] Convert to Percentage = Chnce of Success --------------------------------------- PROOF : My Case Planet Def = 1193 Iinvasion attack = 3019.5
[(3019.5/3)/1193] = 0.8436 Therefore 84% chance success (It was 85% i know but close)
Can any high rankers gimme more data? i need the list of your weapons.. thanks I think i have now perfected The invasion defence is NOT , Attack + Defence It's . 0.6 x Attack + Defence 60% Planetary Attack + Defence = Planetary Invasion Hence FORMULA= Your invasion attacked divided by 3 divided by planet total defence. [(Your Invasion Attack/3)/0.6 Planetary Attack + Planetary Defence] Convert to Percentage = Chnce of SuccessThanks to John Lomacin. He helped me perfect it.
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Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:27 pm |
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ODragon
Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:16 am Posts: 3824
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Commonwealth <TK> wrote: The invasion defence is NOT , Attack + Defence
It's . 0.6 x Attack + Defence
60% Planetary Attack + Defence = Planetary Invasion
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FORMULA= Your invasion attacked divided by 3 divided by planet total defence. [(Your Invasion Attack/3)/0.6 Planetary Attack + Planetary Defence] Convert to Percentage = Chnce of Success I don't get it... and part of it is because of how you are writing things. Is it (0.6 x attack) + defense (as you have it above) or is it 0.6 x (attack + defense). They are pretty different formulas. In the first one if A&D = 100 each, then it is 160 vs 120 the second way. I'm having trouble understanding... could you give an example using number (I don't need specific mods/buildings).
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Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:57 pm |
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Commonwealth <TK>
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:51 am Posts: 2371
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Commonwealth <TK> wrote: Commonwealth <TK> wrote: Invasion was a failure. Planetary defenses were strong enough to ward off your advance You had a 85% chance of success
I had attempted Invasion On this planet. (Don't Worry, this isn't a complaint/whine etc)
My Invasion Attack was 3019.5
-Light Singularity Launcher x8 -Leviathan Rift-Emitter x2 -Vortul Blast Phaser x2 -Psionic Amplifier (60) -Lazuli Mind Controller x3 (70 Each) -Dominion Cannon x4 -Crimson Auto-Phaser x2 -Prototype Mech XV -Combat Analyzer -37 Tactical Officers
X1.3(Artifacts) stuff like lazuli mind controllers and psionic amplifiers bonus invasion attack are amplified with artifacts
Planet Invasion Defence was 1193 (Defence + Attck) --------------------------------------- FORMULA= Your invasion attacked divided by 3 divided by planet total defence. [(Your Invasion Attack/3)/Planet Defence] Convert to Percentage = Chnce of Success --------------------------------------- PROOF : My Case Planet Def = 1193 Iinvasion attack = 3019.5
[(3019.5/3)/1193] = 0.8436 Therefore 84% chance success (It was 85% i know but close)
Can any high rankers gimme more data? i need the list of your weapons.. thanks I think i have now perfected The invasion defence is NOT , Attack + Defence It's . 0.6 x Attack + Defence 60% Planetary Attack + Defence = Planetary Invasion Hence FORMULA= Your invasion attacked divided by 3 divided by planet total defence. [(Your Invasion Attack/3)/0.6 Planetary Attack + Planetary Defence] Convert to Percentage = Chnce of SuccessThanks to John Lomacin. He helped me perfect it. Planet Defence (Standard.Includes Legion Bonus) : 1000 Attack (Standard.Includes Legion Bonus) : 1000 Invasion Defence is NOT = Attack + Defence (Which is 2000) Invasion Defence IS = (0.6 x Attack) +Defence (Which is 1600)
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FerrusManus
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So Attack counts less than Defense? Huff, and I just upgraded all my planets on the idea that they were equal. : (
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Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:19 am |
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Commonwealth <TK>
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:51 am Posts: 2371
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FerrusManus wrote: So Attack counts less than Defense? Huff, and I just upgraded all my planets on the idea that they were equal. : ( Ye me too, i knew minefields were a bit dodgy.. They cost more research and are less effective.
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Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:49 am |
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FerrusManus
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I already have all the research, and they're both +1200 for 2 space and cost the same, so I figured that because they were equal for invasion purposes (or so I thought) I would favor attack over defense (because I'm spiteful), so perhaps I'll need to fix that.
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Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:51 am |
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Commonwealth <TK>
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:51 am Posts: 2371
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Yah but you need 300,000 RPs for for null minefields but on 85,000 RP for planetary shields and aren't planetary shields cheaper?
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Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:59 am |
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FerrusManus
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The highest level structures, Obviation Barriers and Quasi-Chaos Minefields, cost the same: 250M and 10 Aidonium. The shields are easier to research, though, but I've completed most research trees so I wasn't worried about that.
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Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:04 am |
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ODragon
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Commonwealth <TK> wrote: Defence (Standard.Includes Legion Bonus) : 1000 Attack (Standard.Includes Legion Bonus) : 1000
Invasion Defence is NOT = Attack + Defence (Which is 2000) Invasion Defence IS = (0.6 x Attack) +Defence (Which is 1600) And Defense = (Building Defense + Invasion Defense) So say my ship invasion attack power = 9000 Planet has: Attack 1000, Defense 2000 and Invasion Defense 600, it would be the following Invasion defense = (0.6 x 1000) + (2000 + 600) = 3200 % = [(9000/3)/3200]*100 = 93.75% chance of invading? Is that correct?
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Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:14 pm |
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Commonwealth <TK>
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:51 am Posts: 2371
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It would be 90% yah, it doesnt go above 90% for some reason.
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Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:32 pm |
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ODragon
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Commonwealth <TK> wrote: It would be 90% yah, it doesnt go above 90% for some reason. And min is 10%?
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Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:42 pm |
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Commonwealth <TK>
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ODragon wrote: Commonwealth <TK> wrote: It would be 90% yah, it doesnt go above 90% for some reason. And min is 10%? LOL They're is actually 0% chance invasion. I should've screenshot it when that happened....
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Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:54 pm |
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ODragon
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Commonwealth <TK> wrote: ODragon wrote: Commonwealth <TK> wrote: It would be 90% yah, it doesnt go above 90% for some reason. And min is 10%? LOL They're is actually 0% chance invasion. I should've screenshot it when that happened.... Interesting... thanks!
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Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:59 pm |
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ODragon
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ODragon wrote: Commonwealth <TK> wrote: And Defense = (Building Defense + Invasion Defense)
So say my ship invasion attack power = 9000 Planet has: Attack 1000, Defense 2000 and Invasion Defense 600, it would be the following
Invasion defense = (0.6 x 1000) + (2000 + 600) = 3200
% = [(9000/3)/3200]*100 = 93.75% chance of invading?
Is that correct? Actually, this would be wrong since invasion defense also gets doubled by the legion bonus right?
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Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:16 pm |
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paid in full
Joined: Tue May 24, 2011 10:28 am Posts: 9
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nomenclature- PD planetary defence
- PA planetary attack
- %C invasion attempt's chance of success
- AS attacker's strength
- PAD planet's total defence and attack strength
invasion formulasIt is assumed that your actual values already include
- the legion bonus for PD and PA,
- any invasion bonus on both sides,
- artifact multipliers & boosters on both sides as well as
- passive planetary attack and defence values
attack strength (AS) needed AS = (%C / 100) * 3 * (0.6 * PA + PD) %chance (%C) wanted (capped at 90%) %C = ((AS / 3) / (0.6 * PA + PD)) * 100 if you know the attacker's strength: total defence needed PAD = AS / (3 * (%C / 100)) Remember: there is always a chance of invasion failure
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Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:38 am |
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ODragon
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paid in full wrote: AS = (%C / 100) * 3 * (0.6 * PA + PD) Again, we're back to 0.6 * attack + defense or (0.6 * Attack) + Defense. It makes a huge difference. Instead of variables, why not write it so Chris24Markey can have a chance to understand it if he wanted to: Invasion Attack = (Ship Attack + Ship Invasion)/3 Invasion Defense = (0.6 * Planetary Attack) + Planetary Defense + Invasion Defense (make sure to multiply by legion bonus) Percent Chance of Invading = (Invasion Attack/Invasion Defense) * 100
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Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:56 am |
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FerrusManus
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ODragon wrote: paid in full wrote: AS = (%C / 100) * 3 * (0.6 * PA + PD) Again, we're back to 0.6 * attack + defense or (0.6 * Attack) + Defense. It makes a huge difference. Those are the same thing.
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Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:15 pm |
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ODragon
Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:16 am Posts: 3824
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FerrusManus wrote: ODragon wrote: paid in full wrote: AS = (%C / 100) * 3 * (0.6 * PA + PD) Again, we're back to 0.6 * attack + defense or (0.6 * Attack) + Defense. It makes a huge difference. Those are the same thing. You're right, my mistake. Without parenthesis, math is harder to read! 
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Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:57 pm |
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Commonwealth <TK>
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:51 am Posts: 2371
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paid in full wrote: :arrow: nomenclature- PD planetary defence
- PA planetary attack
- %C invasion attempt's chance of success
- AS attacker's strength
- PAD planet's total defence and attack strength
invasion formulasIt is assumed that your actual values already include
- the legion bonus for PD and PA,
- any invasion bonus on both sides,
- artifact multipliers & boosters on both sides as well as
- passive planetary attack and defence values
attack strength (AS) needed AS = (%C / 100) * 3 * (0.6 * PA + PD) %chance (%C) wanted (capped at 90%) %C = ((AS / 3) / (0.6 * PA + PD)) * 100 if you know the attacker's strength: total defence needed PAD = AS / (3 * (%C / 100)) Remember: there is always a chance of invasion failureThat looks confusing lol i wished the formula was simpler so i needn't have to pull a calculator and figure it out. I still need more data : Need List of Planet Structures . Legion Your Weapons inventory. You chance of success (you need to fail the invasion to gimme this) I can add the numbers and see if its accurate.
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Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:41 am |
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Commonwealth <TK>
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:51 am Posts: 2371
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Another thing.
THe Lazuli Superhualer, drops Lazuli Darkmines. One of the things Darkmines do is drop a structuure +25% attack
I think dan put this to balance out the strength of planet def and planet attack becuase as you know planet attack only provides 60% invasion def
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