Talk:Artifacts
Which table to add this? Planetary Aegis - A special and rare device that provides a powerful shield around a planet for 5 days.
It's the artifact every new player has when starting. Dataminer1
Should we delete artifacts that makes buildings and modules from this page? Readers looking for those goes to those pages anyway, the same as other editors go to those pages when entering these data. Dataminer1 11:36, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Coalition Database links to here but is not here/Has no description. Crimson 21:01 23 March 2011
I'm going to start a new subsection for artifacts that have uses in missions. Tired of the old "is *X* artifact used for anything important" questions. Razorback
I got a "this page is getting to long" message when I edited it just now. Unless someone has major heartburn about it, I'll probably start breaking it into separate pages, one for each major artifact type (I'll leave discontinued and limited issue artifacts on the main page for now). Qualon 12:43, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
During the many edits of this page we've lost some artifacts, mainly discontinued daily rewards, such as the "Insignia of Independence", and the "Sphere of the New Era"; However there are definitely others missing, as F.A.T.H.E.R.s are no-longer listed and should be in the GP Only section, etc.
While knowing where artifacts IS useful, it seems to me a separate list on this page is not very useful considering the ever increasing number, an extra column on the artifacts *may* be more helpful at least until we get sub categories.
Furthermore, and this especially applies to the Artifacts being used in missions or coming from NPCs, players should be able to click the artifact link in a page that directs to Artifacts, and then have the outcome be taking them to the specific artifact on the main list or most relevant list.
Initially, until I noticed the missing Artifacts, and subsequently read this discussion I was seriously considering Reverting back to a couple comprehensive lists, to alleviate the increased length of this page.
My thought had been that most of the sub categorization present on this page is NOT really useful, and that lists that appear on some of the other pages are far more useful, so I would set this page back to an older version with less sub categorization, and ask everyone that sub categorization to be entirely in those other pages.
By this I mean: All artifacts related to Structures should go on the planet Structures Page; All Artifacts which relate to Weapons on the ship Weapons Page; all of them that relate to Energy, on the Ship Energy page, and so on, and so forth.
SOME of these categorizations however ARE useful, so, we should be creating views off of this main list area, and then keeping artifacts in a single complete list here or else-where, with linkings between those sub categorized lists; similarly to how they do in the KoL Wiki for their different types of Artifacts. However I have No Idea how to make the Templates to allow proper linking between sets and lists.
(More-Over we really need to create templates for certain types of pages such as NPCs, as they are not always properly linked to related pages, unless one of the experienced Wiki editors creates it, and even then Human Error is going to come into play.)
As I see it this would be a good way to manage the lists go forward, but I may not have a lot of time to work on this at the moment:
Single Table Of Artifacts laid out as follows: Name - Type - Source - Scrap - Uses - Trade - Share - Status - Notes
- Name - Name of the Artifact.
- Type - ONE of the following: Planet Structure, Base Module, Ship Module, Ship Effect, Planet Effect, Structure Effect, Player Effect
- Examples of each "Type": Planet Structure, (eg. Warp Gate); Base Module, (eg. Base Comm Interlink); Ship Module, (eg. Stryll Prey Tracker); Ship Effect, (eg. Tevrazon Gas Canister, Energy cube, Tri-Matrix Emblem); Planet Effect, (eg. Grav-Whip Trap, Planet Flux, Mass Surface Metler); Structure Effect, (eg. Sha'jha Link Upgrade); Player Effect, (eg. Glavis Device, Sphere Of A New Era)
- Source - Add all that Apply: Galaxy Points, Daily Reward, Blue Prints, NPCs, Missions, AP Cost, Rank, etc.
- Scrap - The Scrap Value of the Artifact
- Uses - Add all that Apply: Missions, Artifacts, NPCs, PvP, PvE, Base Upgrades
- Trade - Yes, No
- Share - Yes, No
- Status - Available, Removed
- Notes - Descriptive notes on the artifact as currently supplied on this page.
Possible Sub Categories on other pages:
- Of Course: Planet, Structure, Weapons, Defenses, Shields, Hull, Energy, Cloak, Scan
- Mission Artifacts
- NPC Artifacts
- PvP Artifacts
- Limited-Time Artifacts
- Purchasable Artifacts
- Buildable Artifacts
- CT Lab Artifacts
- Artifact Hints and tips
Does anyone have any additional Ideas on Artifact Sub Categories we should do?
-Q 9:54, 2011-09-14 UTC)
- Hmmm. I can make templates; however I notice that this is not really a full-service wiki, so I'm not absolutely sure that templates would even work; they require a special "template" page. And since I've been unable to create categories pages, I'm disinclined to put work into making any templates. Right now, what I'm doing is making individual artifact pages with details on them that can be linked to from any page that needs to reference an artifact. That way, there can be a list here (instead of a table), with all the artifacts just listed by category.
- I don't really care for the idea of moving, for instance, all the NPC-dropped artifacts to the NPC page and having them not appear here, as many people will think they should look for artifacts on the page labeled "artifacts." With the individual pages able to be linked, a list can go on any page that is related to them. See the Common Artifacts page for the links to the individual pages. When they are completed, I will reduce the table there. Let me know if there is anything I am missing from the individual pages (not sure if status is relevant - if the artifact is "removed" wouldn't it go in a separate list?) Qualon 21:48, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
- "I don't really care for the idea of moving, for instance, all the NPC-dropped artifacts to the NPC page and having them not appear here, as many people will think they should look for artifacts on the page labeled "artifacts." With the individual pages able to be linked, a list can go on any page that is related to them."
- I believe that's exactly what I was suggesting, I don't like there being separate lists, I think there should be one master list, that all other references link to in some manner, I want to always go to the central page when I want to see general info.
- As for the "Status" column, I figured people would want to know if it was Active or Inactive, and I wasn't sure if I would be better to use Inactive or Removed. When I look at a large list I might want to sort by active/inactive.
- Perhaps I don't understand the point of templates, I thought they were to make the formatting of common pages uniform by having bots apply them to the pages.. I see we only have a few templates, and they aren't what I would call 'fleshed out' as they are mostly blank. The Missions Template has some info, but it's listed as 'un-used'. Not sure why..
- -Q (9:52, 2011-09-14 UTC)
- "I thought they were to make the formatting of common pages uniform by having bots apply them to the pages." Not exactly. A template creates a sort of "minipage" that can then be stamped on other pages word-for-word (without alteration). It's not a formatting tool. A good use for one would be at the bottom of all the individual NPC pages, where there is a repetitive list of links back to the NPC-group pages (I may do that next, now I've thought of it). That list of links would be good as a template because it is exactly the same from page to page (or could be exactly the same). For the artifacts themselves, a template would not work because the information for each artifact is different.
- I think maybe what you're thinking of is an infobox? That is more of a formatting tool and I think the artifact pages could be done that way, but, again, if the only information on a page is what is in an infobox, it's much easier to just put the information without it - much less code, much less memory. The infobox concept was intended to "dress up" more complete pages. And there are too many artifacts to put infoboxes for them all on just the artifact page.
- So far as listing the artifacts with their properties on a master list - there is too much information for each artifact to list on a table - the page here is not wide enough, and if you wrap the words, eventually the table becomes unreadable. So, what information do you think is necessary for only a quick glance (at a table)? Preferably only one or two things or we'll end up with a monster-sized page again. Qualon 12:47, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
- (Later that same day...) I tried to make a template and, unfortunately, this wiki does not support them (it was probably an optional add-on at the time of purchase that did not get bought). I can create a page in the Template namespace, but the "navbox" command to make a template actually appear seems to be missing. I'm thinking that's why all the template pages I found were empty. Alternatively, maybe it's only something that needs to be turned on. If/when anyone finds out, please tell me; I've got a nice template done in notepad that's all ready to go (and so do several other people, I suspect). Qualon 21:01, 17 September 2011 (UTC)