Hi,
was thinking, how about to have another source of Star Chart Purger (SCP) than artifact points/mission Stellar Cartography and have a stronger version of it?

I was considering:
1) critical raid could rather get an artifact from raided player cargo. List of item which can be raided would have to be created and artifact could be choosed per amount of AP to be raided, but such artifact should not be from non-repeatable mission nor from badge items list. Not sure if limit it also to non-GP items - would make it less attractive. This way thru PvP could steal also Star Chart Purger (1000 artifact points). This code per very old forum discussion existed - back when you could raid the cargo.
OR new NPCs:
2) new rare NPC Dark Star Gate - could have slightly different image as Dark Warp Gate from Dark Smugglers Guild with drop Star Chart Purger 75% / 25% Dark Star Chart Purger (erase from list a planet colonized by you).
3) new extremely rare Boss 10+ Rogue Stellar Screener, r Matched from Rogue Science League, drop 90% Star Chart Purger, 10% Dark Star Chart Purger

Consider this as a corner to debate about it, tweak it, improve it - if you can

Too many words flux....maybe its the wine, but I lost interest about 15 words in. I am interested but could you make the explanation more plain jane?

Basically :

Crit raid now steal artifact at random, depending on how much AP you steal (in his example, 1000 AP crit raid MAY give you a Purger)
It also MAY steal GP items - discusable.

OR

A new, rare Purger, which allows you to abandon. It drops from a new Dark Smuggler NPC.

ok, gotcha.

thanks, there were two NPC alternatives:
-new rare NPC Dark Star Gate = a new Dark Smuggler
-new extremely rare Boss 10+ Rogue Stellar Screener, r Matched from Rogue Science League

1) critical raid could rather get an artifact from raided player cargo. List of item which can be raided would have to be created and artifact could be choosed per amount of AP to be raided, but such artifact should not be from non-repeatable mission nor from badge items list. Not sure if limit it also to non-GP items - would make it less attractive. This way thru PvP could steal also Star Chart Purger (1000 artifact points). This code per very old forum discussion existed - back when you could raid the cargo.
OR new NPCs:

being able to pick the arty you want like that wont work over all. People will just raid upper ranks getting 5-10k ap and getting 5-10 purgers per day. this would just lead to a few people upper ranks getting gangbannged over and over again by those mid rank monster ships who also rank kinda slow as hell. Would just be one more reason for long time players to quit, bad nuff we lose all group npc's mission npc's some seasonals not to just be farm targets. *** that! we have many reasons to pvp as is but no matter what people are going to choose not to do it. you just need to keep plugging along. . And letting people steal GP items from even your cargo bay would only cause so much ***ing. Could cause some people not to buy some seasonal items to hold on to all year round and use as needed. GL items are way more expansive than most other FB games over all.


2) new rare NPC Dark Star Gate - could have slightly different image as Dark Warp Gate from Dark Smugglers Guild with drop Star Chart Purger 75% / 25% Dark Star Chart Purger (erase from list a planet colonized by you).

I like new npc's provided a few things, Should not be to common so know one can farm 400 purgers aday off them also Dan tends to be on a sick kick if making the min shots on new npc's an upserdly stupid amount. clicking 450 times for a single purger is not worth it. I'd rather it be a little harder to find than have a NRG/time sink waist of time seeing as the reward would not be worth a 450+ hit npc .


3) new extremely rare Boss 10+ Rogue Stellar Screener, r Matched from Rogue Science League, drop 90% Star Chart Purger, 10% Dark Star Chart Purger

On a sharable boss maybe make it like 10 purgers / dark chart purger and maybe a ship mod that upgrades or a cool planet mod. As reason as before spending 5k nrg to lock for a single purger is not worth it. Also would hope this has a rank 9999 limit

Didnt critcal raids have a chance of artifact stealing in the past

it is already several years back, when it was so, but that time the game content was smaller and anything was possible to raid, what raised a lot of hate. I suggest to raid not AP, but directly common artifact items which anyone would gain from turning AP to items. Could be set, to be active from a certain minimum amount to do not cause problems to low ranks.

yes, and my understanding was that ANY arti that you kept in cargo could have been stolen ... or was it STACKS of artis ?

in any case, my reading of the OP is that a crit.raid arti theft would be limited to those that can be pulled using your regular AP points. so, if your crit.raid would have pulled 2200 AP points ... you would instead pull a random arti that was worth less than 2200 AP to pull ... the star chart would be in that pool at 1000, but so would spy probes at 250/600 and cloning pods at 400. if you crit.raid for under 250 AP, or any amount of MP, you would just get the points.

http://galaxylegion.com/wiki/index.php/Common_Artifacts

100% correct, incl. last statement - in case thru critical raid raided under 250 AP, you get directly AP.

Btw nobody for nor against?

Im semi indifferent if thats the way it would work. What i get from raids is the yellow, the arti ap is meh. But i would fell meh about getting a cloning pod too .

That's kinda the thing. Why would I want to raid someone for common artifacts when the AP I can steal at least gives a chance of shipbuilders? You can't allow the stealing of those 5 artifacts on a raid because, in a sense, it causes permanent damage to the target player through no fault of their own.

I am not following you... what you mean? The target has "damage" either way = lost AP or the artifact itself (which was gained thru AP). Why only 5?

Because there is no guarantee (especially at lower ranks) of any of those AP generating shipbuilders whereas the the artifact itself IS a guarantee. Five are the 2 droids, brackets, prisoners and xcharge. Add shipbots and it's 6.

edit for fat fingers

I see, well I think missed this problem already mentioned earlier and the suggested solution: